On 2/18/19 9:13 AM, Julian Foad wrote:
> Every time I use GitHub I am supporting proprietary software and silo systems.
>
> Every time I use GitLab I am supporting open source software and open systems.
>
> I don't see the ASF's values being upheld by encouraging our projects to use
> GitHub. To me it's equivalent to encouraging our members and contributors to
> use Facebook instead of email for communication. In contrast to when we first
> started down this path a few years ago, GitLab now provides a similar service
> except it's also Free as in Freedom. By using GitLab, in addition to
> supporting FOSS, we would also be able to adapt it to fit our needs and
> desires. Use our own hostnames (gitlab.TLP.apache.org). Integrate with our
> own user accounts. Own our own data. Our own project mirroring
> configurations. With no obligation for infra to host and run it initially if
> we prefer gitlab.com or another provider to do so. And no lock-in to the
> vendor's policies and charges.
>
> I strongly believe we should be transitioning to GitLab.
>
> I assume I'm not the only one who thinks so. It would be nice to hear from
> others a word of support, or better still anyone wanting to get started.
>
> - Julian
> (no connections with the companies/products involved, just a desire for
> software Freedom)
> https://blog.foad.me.uk/2018/11/28/use-gitlab-not-github/
While I don't necessarily disagree with you, I'd like to point out two
things.
1) We *DO* own our own data. Github is only ever a mirror.
2) This is a decision made by Infra, at the extensive, YEARS-LONG
pressuring of our projects. This is something our projects wanted, and
demanded, and even, in cases, threatened to leave over. So you might
want to take it up with Infra, and with those projects, before investing
a lot of time into this. The ASF tries to offer services to projects,
based on what they ask for. Along the way, we use various third-party
services, from hosting, to monitoring solutions, to Git hosting
providers, because we lack the people-power to do everything ourselves.
This is often as much (more?) a financial decision as a philosophical one.
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Rich Bowen - rbo...@rcbowen.com
http://rcbowen.com/
@rbowen
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