Hi Juan Pan, Best is to keep things simple. My suggestion would be to have 3 roles:
1. Associate Members = anybody interested, low barrier to entry 2. Members (or Full Members) = members who are also committers to any ASF project 3. Steering Committee = elected from Full Members with an administrative/organizational role (similar to a PMC); size up to you Associate Members would become Full Members simply by getting the Vote of an ASF community/project, not special procedure would be necessary inside the ALC. At least one member of the Steering Committee SHOULD be a member of dev@community.a.o. You could consider removing Associate Members who were inactive for a significant time, say 2 years. Cheers, Hadrian On Tue, Feb 25, 2020 at 10:19 PM Juan Pan <panj...@apache.org> wrote: > Hi > > After reading the thread, two of questions came to my mind, i.e. What is > the Responsibility of ALC member? How to become a ALC member? > Moreover, i guess other ALCs will have the same questions as well. > > From the ALC doc[1], we can learn that the responsibilities of ALC are > mostly related to Apache way, so if the responsibilities of a member is to > help do those things, > that means a member at least has a basic understanding of Apache or did > some contributions? > Secondly, if many of people who may has no understanding of Apache, or > just want to be a member (for interest?), is it ok to include him as a > member? Is there any condition or bar? > > IMO, we may consider nomination and vote for a member. Our upcoming online > meet up is a good chance to discuss. > > See you then. > > [1] > https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/COMDEV/Apache+Local+Community+-+ALC#ApacheLocalCommunity-ALC-ALCRolesandResponsibilities > > *Juan Pan (Trista) * > > Senior DBA & PPMC of Apache ShardingSphere(Incubating) > E-mail: panj...@apache.org > > > On 02/26/2020 09:53，Sheng Wu<wu.sheng.841...@gmail.com> > <wu.sheng.841...@gmail.com> wrote： > > Hi Hadrian > > So, from what I read in the thread above, I see you all being mostly in > > agreement, but are referring to different (and important) aspects. > > Yes, we are. We could discuss this more on Thur. online meeting. > > Sheng Wu 吴晟 > Twitter, wusheng1108 > > > Hadrian Zbarcea <hzbar...@gmail.com> 于2020年2月26日周三 上午12:27写道： > > Most of the disagreements on the ASF lists can be traced back to a > communication issue. I think I understand what Willem proposed and I agree > on the low bar aspect, but I think the way the term bar is used may create > unnecessary misunderstandings. > > This being an ASF local community, it must be guided by ASF standards > (let's not call them rules). This is in the interest of advancing the ASF > values we believe in and proved successful for over 2 decades. From this > point of view the people who are organizing the community must know what > they're are doing, Sheng Wu you are correct. There should be a way in which > the organizers (or members or whatever word we choose to describe that PMC > member like role) communicate with each other, build consensus and execute. > If necessary, they are smart and experienced enough to ask for advice from > an ASF officer or the board, whatever the case may be. > > On the other side, thinking about the intent behind the ACL Beijing, it is > not intended (I assume) as a private club, but a way to promote open source > and the ASF. From this point of view the community should be inclusive, > there should be a low bar to entry, there should be good and active > mentoring of new individuals (whatever we call them if not members) and > they should be encouraged, helped, guided, mentored to be successful with > open source, ASF projects and the ASF way in particular. Interested and > talented individuals will get the karma in ASF projects and will go as far > as they want, and will get a better understanding of what the ASF is about. > The 'status' in the ACL Beijing will come from their contributions to open > source projects, not the fact that they 'joined the club'. And to be clear, > contributions don't mean just code contributions. > > IMHO, it matters less if those who join are called members of the ALC, > what matters is what they do and how they are helped to become successful > and how they help others to become successful. Actually the term member is > a bit overloaded at the ASF as well. I remember many cases when newly voted > PMC members thought they are members of the foundation, and it took a bit > for them to understand the difference. > > So, from what I read in the thread above, I see you all being mostly in > agreement, but are referring to different (and important) aspects. > > Best of luck, > Hadrian > > > > On Tue, Feb 25, 2020 at 8:04 AM Sheng Wu <wu.sheng.841...@gmail.com> > wrote: > > Hi Willem > > I am pretty sure this should not be having a bar like a project official > committer. But no bar? I don't think this is a reasonable idea. > As ALC we will use the Apache branding and Apache ALC branding, I prefer > there should be some guides, otherwise, how should we protect it? > > And more, how should we make sure, the member could talk about the > culture of Apache basically correct(I wouldn 't say accurate, but at least, > not misguide)? -- This question is suitable for JianSheng too. > How about the next one asking joining the ALC, what should we do? If he > is also not an Apache committer/PMC/member again > > Sheng Wu 吴晟 > Twitter, wusheng1108 > > > Willem Jiang <willem.ji...@gmail.com> 于2020年2月25日周二 下午5:18写道： > > I don't think we need to setup a bar on the people who want to join the > ALC. > As we are short of hand to advocate the Apache way in China. I think > JianSheng can provide a great help for us. > ALC is not a Apache project, current we don't have the PMC or > Committers, but I think community PMC can give us some guide and > advices for it. > Current the member of ALC Beijing are the active committers of Apache > or other people who interesting about it. We may need to discuss a > way how to introduce new blood in a meritocracy way. > The main purpose of ALC is building a local community around ASF > projects, helping Apache projects cooperate with each other, and let > Chinese community to know better about Apache Software Foundation. > For the content we provide for the local audience should follow the > Apache Way and for the logo and branding related issues we also need > the approve from Apache Branding officer. > > Willem Jiang > > Twitter: willemjiang > Weibo: 姜宁willem > > On Tue, Feb 25, 2020 at 4:45 PM Sheng Wu <wu.sheng.841...@gmail.com> > wrote: > > > Hi Willem > > Is there any invitation rule(guide) about adding a new member? > What is different between a member and not a member? > > To be clear, I am not objecting, I just don't get the context. > In all other TLP project, member sometimes means a committer of ASF or > > that project. Which is the bar(s) of an ALC member? Or even is there a bar > for this? > > The deep reason I asked about this, is from my understanding the ALC > > member needs to follow the Apache way, keep the branding used in the right > way, and so on. > > > To Jian Sheng > Please don't feel I am not welcoming you to join or unfriendly. > > Really, I am not stopping you. I know the contributions you made for the > Apache/Apache Way/Open source. > > I just want this community organized in the right and recommended way. > > Sheng Wu 吴晟 > Twitter, wusheng1108 > > > Willem Jiang <willem.ji...@gmail.com> 于2020年2月25日周二 下午4:38写道： > > > FYI, I just updated the wiki page[1] and added JianSheng into the > > member list. > > Please let me know if you have any questions about it. > > BTW, please add your picture into the page if you have time :) > > [1]https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/COMDEV/ALC+Beijing > > > Willem Jiang > > Twitter: willemjiang > Weibo: 姜宁willem > > On Tue, Feb 25, 2020 at 2:20 PM Xiangdong Huang <saint...@gmail.com> > > wrote: > > > +1. > Jianshen is very active for popularizing open source. > > jincheng sun <sunjincheng...@gmail.com>于2020年2月25日 周二下午12:30写道： > > > +1 for your proposal Willem. I think we really need people who with > experience in Chinese communities to join us！ > > Best, > Jincheng > > > 适兕 <lijiangshe...@gmail.com> 于2020年2月23日周日 上午11:42写道： > > Thanks Willem, > It's honor , be happy to do something for ALC Beijing. > > On Sun, Feb 23, 2020 at 11:23 AM Willem Jiang < > > willem.ji...@gmail.com> > > wrote: > > Hi, > > I'd like to introduce Jianshen Li, he is the founder of a > > Chinese blog > > which introduce Open Source Way for nearly 3 years. > Even he is not a Apache Committer, he translate bunch of ASF > > related > > articles [1][2][3][4]into Chinese, I think it helps lot for > > promote > > ASF in Chinese community. > Now I'm working closely with JIanshen to write more articles > > for the > > newbie who want to join the Open Source in China. > I'd like to invite him as a member of ALC Beijing. > > Any throught？ > > [1] > > > http://opensourceway.community/posts/foundation_introduce/asf-founders-look-back-on-20-years/ > > [2] > > > http://opensourceway.community/posts/foundation_introduce/the_apache_way_to_sustainable_os/ > > [3] > > > http://opensourceway.community/posts/foundation_introduce/five-year-strategic-plan-for-the-asf-2018/ > > [4] > > http://opensourceway.community/posts/foundation_introduce/how_apache_works/ > > > Willem Jiang > > Twitter: willemjiang > Weibo: 姜宁willem > > On Sun, Feb 23, 2020 at 9:57 AM 适兕 <lijiangshe...@gmail.com> > > wrote: > > > Hi, Swapnil and Willem , > > I am very interested helping for ALC BeiJing, > > + 1 from me. > > As open source advocate , I am the founder of > > opensourceway.community > > , Dedicated to the exploration of ideas, knowledge and values > > related to > > open source. > > > Thanks. > > On Sat, Feb 22, 2020 at 8:04 PM Swapnil M Mane < > > swapnilmm...@apache.org> > > wrote: > > > Done Xiangdong, please check. > > > Best regards, > Swapnil M Mane, > www.apache.org > > On Sat, Feb 22, 2020 at 5:14 PM Xiangdong Huang < > > saint...@gmail.com> > > wrote: > > > Hi Swapnil, > > I'd like to apply for the edit rights for the confluence. > My Confluence id is hxd. > > Many thanks. > > Best, > ----------------------------------- > Xiangdong Huang > School of Software, Tsinghua University > > 黄向东 > 清华大学 软件学院 > > > Swapnil M Mane <swapnilmm...@apache.org> 于2020年2月18日周二 > > 下午6:59写道： > > > Hello ALC Beijing team, > > Hope you are doing well, it gives immense pleasure to us > > to update > > you > > that the vote is passed by ComDev PMC to establish ALC > > Beijing > > Chapter > > and Willem Jiang as ALC Beijing Chapter lead. > > Here are the placeholder pages created in ComDev space > https://s.apache.org/alc-beijing > https://s.apache.org/alc-beijing-events > https://s.apache.org/alc-beijing-reports > > I have given edit rights on Confluence for ComDev wiki > > to following > > members (since I found their confluence IDs) > -- Willem Jiang > -- Jeff Zhang > -- Liang Zhang > -- Jincheng Sun > -- Sheng Wu > -- Juan Pan > > Rest members, please feel free to mail on the dev list > > to request > > the > > edit rights with your confluence ID. > > We would also like to connect you with Aditya Sharma. > Aditya is a very active member of ALC Indore Chapter and > > will be > > with > > you for an initial few months to support and assist you > > so that you > > will be familiar with the processes followed by ALC > > Chapter for its > > execution ( https://s.apache.org/d4anc ). > > > Dear Willem and team, > We have the following roles and responsibilities as ALC > > Chapter and > > ALC Chapter lead: > [Online version of this is available at > https://s.apache.org/ALC-Chapter-Lead-RR ] > > 1. Making sure the 'ALC Code of Conduct ( > https://s.apache.org/alc-code-of-conduct )' is followed > > by the ALC > > Chapter. > > 2. All the events organized by the ALC Chapter are > > following the > > Guidelines to organize ALC Event ( > > s.apache.org/alc-guidelines ). > > > 3. Chapter lead will submit the status report ( > https://s.apache.org/alc-reports ) to ComDev ( > dev@community.apache.org ) in every *three months* > > based on their > > reporting cycle. > For ALC Beijing the reporting cycle is May, August, > > November, > > February. > > > 4. Chapter Lead will be the point of contact for the > > respective > > ALC > > Chapter. > > If you have any queries or questions, please feel free > > to post on > > dev list. > > > All the very best team, and thank you for showing your > > kind > > interest > > in this initiative. > > Best regards, > Swapnil M Mane, > www.apache.org > > On Mon, Feb 10, 2020 at 10:20 AM Swapnil M Mane < > > swapnilmm...@apache.org> > > wrote: > > > Hello Skylar and Juan, thank you for your interest. > Skylar, please refer to my response inline. > > On Sun, Feb 9, 2020 at 10:02 AM Skylar Deranick < > > skysfr...@gmail.com> > > wrote: > > > Sure I'll do it > > > Just for your information, as mentioned in one of my > > recent mail > > [1], > > Currently, the voting is underway in ComDev PMC to > > establish ALC > > Beijing. > > And it is the mandate of ComDev PMC to establish the > > new ALCs, > > so we have to wait until we get the response from the > > PMC. > > > [1] https://s.apache.org/z8yo7 > > > On Sat, Feb 8, 2020, 8:30 PM Juan Pan < > > panj...@apache.org> > > wrote: > > > +1 from me. > > > I am tracking this thread. > Hope see ACL Beijing setting up, i believe there > > are much > > more active > > PMCs, committers and contributors in Beijing > > waiting for > > this good > > news. > > > > Best wishes > > > Juan Pan (Trista) > > Senior DBA & PPMC of Apache > > ShardingSphere(Incubating) > > E-mail: panj...@apache.org > > > > > On 02/7/2020 13:50，Sheng Wu<wush...@apache.org> > > wrote： > > Hi Willem > > I am interested in helping ALC Beijing. > Sorry I didn't respond earlier. > > +1 from me. > > I am Apache SkyWalking VP, Incubator PMC, > > ShardingSphere(incubating) > > PPMC > > and mentor of DolphinScheduler(incubating) & > > ECharts(incubating). > > ALC Beijing is good news for SkyWalking, > > ShardingSphere, and > > DolphinScheduler, which has many initial PMC and > > active > > contributors > > here. > > > Sheng Wu > > On 2019/12/03 02:50:52, Willem Jiang < > > ningji...@apache.org> > > wrote: > > Hi, > > I'm Apache member and there are bunch of Apache > > project > > developers in > > Beijing I know. ALC just give us a very good > > excuse to hand > > out and > > hold meetup together. > > Regards， > > Willem > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > > To unsubscribe, e-mail: > > dev-unsubscr...@community.apache.org > > For additional commands, e-mail: > > dev-h...@community.apache.org > > > > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > > To unsubscribe, e-mail: > > dev-unsubscr...@community.apache.org > > For additional commands, e-mail: > > dev-h...@community.apache.org > > > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > > To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@community.apache.org > For additional commands, e-mail: > > dev-h...@community.apache.org > > > > > -- > 独立之思想，自由之精神。 > --陈寅恪 > > > > > -- > 独立之思想，自由之精神。 > --陈寅恪 > > > -- > ----------------------------------- > Xiangdong Huang > School of Software, Tsinghua University > > 黄向东 > 清华大学 软件学院 > > > >
