Hello.
Sorry to be somewhat off-topic but it relates to the message contents...
See inline comment.
Le ven. 4 août 2023 à 10:43, Christofer Dutz
<christofer.d...@c-ware.de> a écrit :
>
> Hi,
>
> Here comes a draft for an email I would like to send out.
>
> Not quite sure which audience we should choose … committers, (p)pmcs?
>
> Also, not quite sure about the timeframe? As I know Infra merges PRs on
> Thursdays, I would propose the 17th of August 2023 as date for the change to
> be made. This would give project almost 2 weeks to react and adjust their
> .asf.yml files, if they wish to stay at the current defaults.
>
> So, I wasn’t sure, if I should add links to examples, as it would be putting
> the project acting as negative example in an unfortunate spotlight and using
> date ranges in ponymail links has been not quite successful in the past.
>
> What do you folks think?
>
>
> Chris
>
>
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>
> Dear {Committers/members of the Apache PMCs},
>
> over the years have we added additional options for discussing project
> matters on a big variety of alternate locations and systems besides email
> lists, such as JIRA and GitHub.
> Especially GitHub has been growing in acceptance, as it generally allows
> participating without requiring yet another login.
Pointedly, GitHub does require "yet another login".
Without registering with GH, I can only look (i.e. read the comments) but
not participate (i.e. write a comment).
>
> GitHub currently allows discussing things using: GitHub Issues, GitHub PRs
> and GitHub Discussions.
> Infra has built tooling, that forwards these discussions to our mailing-lists.
>
> Unfortunately, some defaults were chosen, which have resulted in many
> dev-lists being swamped with emails, for which no email-client was able to
> implement any form of threading.
> Some projects simply reacted by redirecting these emails to lists, such as
> notifications@ or commits@.
> Some projects even completely gave up communicating via email lists and only
> “come back” for voting.
> Even if the requirement “If it didn’t happen on the list, it didn’t happen”
> sort of is fulfilled, it no longer fulfills what the core of this rule was:
> To allow someone to asynchronously participate and find out what’s happening
> in a project without requiring any form of login and to have some sort of
> archive of all discussions about Apache projects on Apache hardware.
Again, going through GH contradicts the "participate [...] without
requiring any form of login [...]".
Regards,
Gilles
>
> In Comdev we have been discussing how we could possibly address this and
> bring back the usefulness of our mailing-lists.
> The tooling Infra provides us with, already allows individual projects to
> change the settings of the auto-generated emails and several projects have
> already done so, with great success.
>
> Comdev has therefore proposed to change the default settings for
> auto-generated emails sent out for GitHub.
> These changes will not change anything for projects hat already manage how
> the emails should be formatted in their .asf.yml files, but it will affect
> all projects, that didn’t explicitly do that.
>
> For all projects willing to stay at the current format, we encourage to have
> a look at this page and prepare their “.asf.yml” files accordingly:
> https://community.apache.org/contributors/mailing-lists.html
> (This page currently lists the current defaults here
> https://community.apache.org/contributors/mailing-lists.html#configuring-the-subject-lines-of-the-emails-being-sent
> as well as the proposed changes)
> We will be changing the defaults on {date here}, so you still have some time
> to prepare.
>
>
>
> Chris, on behalf of the Comdev PMC
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