Sounds awesome Andrew, thanks for the concise recap. I agree, JIRA isn't the ideal solution when considering today's options around code conversation, but it's what we have as an Apache project. C'est le vie.
Regardless, if you need a platform to do a task, then JIRA is the answer. If you need to discuss something before deciding on the tasks to do, then the mailing-list is the answer. Michael On Wed, Feb 20, 2013 at 1:58 PM, Andrew Grieve <agri...@chromium.org> wrote: > Recap: > I tested the common changes against iOS & Android and checked them in. I > also checked in the blackberry ones, since they contain better test > coverage in cordova-js than other platforms. > > I then emailed out asking if anyone could test the remaining changes on the > branch against WP and webos. After 8 days of silence, I merged them in > hopes that sometime between now and the 2.6 release someone will run the > tests and discover if the changes broke anything. > > > Outcome: > -Instead of the mailing-list, we'll use JIRA issues to assign specific > owners to the job of testing out these changes when they come up. > > > What to do now: > I'll create two sub-tasks of CB-2227. One for WP, one for webos. > > > Sound right / good? > > > > > > On Wed, Feb 20, 2013 at 4:32 PM, Michal Mocny <mmo...@chromium.org> wrote: > > > Agree with where this conversation is going. I do think a "call to > action" > > for review is important (esp given the number of platforms) and perhaps > > JIRA isn't the absolute worst way to do it ;) > > > > Another question: Are there plans to expand CI to other platforms? > Support > > requesting tests for a remote feature branch? This may remove some > strain > > on testers for the less popular platforms. > > > > > > On Wed, Feb 20, 2013 at 4:29 PM, Filip Maj <f...@adobe.com> wrote: > > > > > Good call Mike. Moving this sort of stuff to JIRA (and bringing back to > > > list when necessary) makes a lot of sense. > > > > > > On 2/20/13 1:27 PM, "Michael Brooks" <mich...@michaelbrooks.ca> wrote: > > > > > > >> > > > >> If the "can you guys test my changes" answer is "no", then it'd be > > > >>great to > > > >> hear a "no" instead of 8 days of silence. That said, I think we'd be > > > >>able > > > >> to move faster if we just took some time to review/test each others' > > > >> changes when necessary. We do this when processing pull requests > from > > > >> external devs, so why not do this for each other? > > > > > > > > > > > >Totally valid and I support the suggestion of code reviews (as long as > > its > > > >not a hinderance to commit ease). > > > > > > > >It would be nice if we can bring conversations closer to the code (via > > > >GitHub pull requests and code comments) instead of blasting emails at > > each > > > >other. I assume using GitHub more is against the Apache Way? We could > > > >bring > > > >conversations more into to JIRA. For this particular example, Andrew > > could > > > >create a JIRA issue and assign subtasks for the major platforms to > test > > to > > > >branch and report back any issues. > > > > > > > >Michael > > > > > > > >On Wed, Feb 20, 2013 at 1:07 PM, Andrew Grieve <agri...@chromium.org> > > > >wrote: > > > > > > > >> I agree with your sentiments, but I think it's impractical in > > practice. > > > >>We > > > >> have ~11 platforms, and any change to common js affects them all. > > > >> > > > >> In this case, I would need to learn how to build & run on webos, > > tizen, > > > >>wp7 > > > >> and windowphone, as well as buying the required hardware to do so. A > > > >>tall > > > >> order for some refactoring changes. > > > >> > > > >> If the "can you guys test my changes" answer is "no", then it'd be > > > >>great to > > > >> hear a "no" instead of 8 days of silence. That said, I think we'd be > > > >>able > > > >> to move faster if we just took some time to review/test each others' > > > >> changes when necessary. We do this when processing pull requests > from > > > >> external devs, so why not do this for each other? > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> On Wed, Feb 20, 2013 at 3:47 PM, Michael Brooks > > > >><mich...@michaelbrooks.ca > > > >> >wrote: > > > >> > > > >> > Agreed. Please take responsibility and test your code on devices > > > >>(ideally > > > >> > not simulators). > > > >> > > > > >> > If your change impacts multiple platforms, have it tested on those > > > >>before > > > >> > pushing to master. > > > >> > > > > >> > On Wed, Feb 20, 2013 at 12:42 PM, Filip Maj <f...@adobe.com> > wrote: > > > >> > > > > >> > > Andrew did you test it on a device? Don't think "hey guys can > you > > > >>test > > > >> my > > > >> > > changes" is a sustainable approach > > > >> > > > > > >> > > On 2/20/13 12:19 PM, "Andrew Grieve" <agri...@chromium.org> > > wrote: > > > >> > > > > > >> > > >Okay, I've interpreted the silence as a "just go ahead and > merge > > it > > > >> and > > > >> > > >people will complain if it's broken". > > > >> > > > > > > >> > > >Seeing as we've now cut the next branch, I figured it was a > good > > > >>time > > > >> to > > > >> > > >merge these remaining changes in. So, I did. Please let me know > > if > > > >> > symbols > > > >> > > >aren't working. > > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > > >On Tue, Feb 12, 2013 at 2:39 PM, Andrew Grieve > > > >><agri...@chromium.org> > > > >> > > >wrote: > > > >> > > > > > > >> > > >> I've just merged in most of the changes for this (CB-2227). > > > >>Again, > > > >> the > > > >> > > >> goal here was to move all plugin-specific logic out of common > > > >>files. > > > >> > > >>It's > > > >> > > >> not the end-game solution, but a step in the right direction. > > > >> > > >> > > > >> > > >> There are still some changes left on the symbolmapping branch > > > >>that > > > >> > > >>affect > > > >> > > >> windows & webos. If there's someone who knows how, it would > be > > > >>great > > > >> > if > > > >> > > >>you > > > >> > > >> could try merging in the branch and ensure mobile-spec is > still > > > >> > working > > > >> > > >> with the changes. If so, these changes can also be merged > into > > > >> master. > > > >> > > >> > > > >> > > >> > > > >> > > >> > > > >> > > >> On Tue, Jan 29, 2013 at 3:38 PM, Andrew Grieve > > > >> > > >><agri...@chromium.org>wrote: > > > >> > > >> > > > >> > > >>> This is now finished in the branch. There is now *no* plugin > > > >>logic > > > >> > left > > > >> > > >>> in common.js, nor in any platform.js files. > > > >> > > >>> > > > >> > > >>> > > > >> > > >>> > > > >> > > >>> > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > https://git-wip-us.apache.org/repos/asf?p=cordova-js.git;a=shortlog;h=re > > > >> > > >>>fs/heads/symbolmapping > > > >> > > >>> > > > >> > > >>> There is one exception, and that's things like the "app" > > plugin, > > > >> > where > > > >> > > >>> it's not really a plugin that a platform can live without. > > > >> > > >>> > > > >> > > >>> Changes of interest: > > > >> > > >>> 1. In tests, I've added helpers for stubbing out modules & > for > > > >> > stubbing > > > >> > > >>> out properties. I used this to be able to undo symbol > mapping > > > >> within > > > >> > > >>>tests. > > > >> > > >>> > > > >> > > >>> var propertyreplacer = require('cordova/propertyreplacer'); > > > >> > > >>> propertyreplacer.stub(platform, 'id', 'test'); > > > >> > > >>> > > > >> > > >>> var modulereplacer = require('cordova/modulereplacer'); > > > >> > > >>> modulereplacer.replace('cordova/platform', {id:'test', > > > >> > > >>> initialize:createSpy()}); > > > >> > > >>> > > > >> > > >>> 2. Loading plugins by name (aka, looping through all defined > > > >> modules > > > >> > > >>>and > > > >> > > >>> loading the ones that have names that match a pattern). > > > >> > > >>> A) "symbols" Modules that have the name "symbols" are loaded > > to > > > >> > define > > > >> > > >>> their plugin's module->JS symbol mappings > > > >> (merges/clobbers/defaults). > > > >> > > >>>On > > > >> > > >>> Blackberry, sub-platform symbol files are called > "bbsymbols". > > > >> > > >>> B) "plugininit" Modules that have the name "plugininit" are > > > >>loaded > > > >> to > > > >> > > >>> perform any custom start-up logic. > > > >> > > >>> C) "*Proxy" On Windows8, modules that end with "Proxy" are > > > >>loaded > > > >> on > > > >> > > >>> start-up. > > > >> > > >>> > > > >> > > >>> I don't love the looping-through-module-names approach, but > > > >>thought > > > >> > it > > > >> > > >>> was a good initial solution while we talk about better > ideas. > > > >>To do > > > >> > > >>>this, I > > > >> > > >>> had to make the moduleMap exported, which it wasn't before. > > > >> Certainly > > > >> > > >>> interested to hear if this is a really bad idea, and what > > > >> > alternatives > > > >> > > >>>we > > > >> > > >>> could use going forward. > > > >> > > >>> > > > >> > > >>> > > > >> > > >>> > > > >> > > >>> > > > >> > > >>> > > > >> > > >>> > > > >> > > >>> On Thu, Jan 17, 2013 at 12:45 PM, Andrew Grieve > > > >> > > >>><agri...@chromium.org>wrote: > > > >> > > >>> > > > >> > > >>>> Pushed up the change with the File plugin being registered > in > > > >>this > > > >> > new > > > >> > > >>>> way. Please let me know if you have concerns about it, > since > > > >>the > > > >> > next > > > >> > > >>>>step > > > >> > > >>>> is moving over other plugin APIs, which is boring work :P. > > > >> > > >>>> > > > >> > > >>>> Also, let's move any discussion into the JIRA issue: > > > >> > > >>>> https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/CB-2227 > > > >> > > >>>> > > > >> > > >>>> > > > >> > > >>>> > > > >> > > >>>> On Wed, Jan 16, 2013 at 4:35 PM, Andrew Grieve > > > >> > > >>>><agri...@chromium.org>wrote: > > > >> > > >>>> > > > >> > > >>>>> Branch started! > > > >> > > >>>>> > > > >> > > >>>>> I've completed steps 1 & 2. > > > >> > > >>>>> > > > >> > > >>>>> > > > >> > > >>>>> > > > >> > > >>>>> > > > >> > > > > > >> > https://git-wip-us.apache.org/repos/asf?p=cordova-js.git;a=shortlog;h= > > > >> > > >>>>>refs/heads/symbolmapping > > > >> > > >>>>> > > > >> > > >>>>> > > > >> > > >>>>> On Wed, Jan 16, 2013 at 1:39 PM, Filip Maj <f...@adobe.com > > > > > >> wrote: > > > >> > > >>>>> > > > >> > > >>>>>> This all seems reasonable. Shall we start a branch? > > > >> > > >>>>>> > > > >> > > >>>>>> On 1/15/13 2:47 PM, "Andrew Grieve" <agri...@google.com> > > > >>wrote: > > > >> > > >>>>>> > > > >> > > >>>>>> >Sorry to dump another large email on the list, but I'm > > > >>hoping > > > >> > this > > > >> > > >>>>>> one is > > > >> > > >>>>>> >at least less controversial :). I wrote up a plan for > > moving > > > >> > > >>>>>> >module->symbol > > > >> > > >>>>>> >mapping out of common.js & platform.js and into > individual > > > >> > plugins. > > > >> > > >>>>>> > > > > >> > > >>>>>> >If you have feedback/comments, let me know. > > > >> > > >>>>>> > > > > >> > > >>>>>> >* Goals: > > > >> > > >>>>>> > > > > >> > > >>>>>> > - Change from listing module->symbol mapping within > > > >> common.js > > > >> > & > > > >> > > >>>>>> > platform.js, to listing this within the plugins > > > >>themselves. > > > >> > > >>>>>> > - Support apps that don't want us to clobber global > > > >>symbols. > > > >> > > >>>>>> > - aka, allow module->symbol mapping to be turned > off > > > >> > > >>>>>> > - Allow retrieval of clobbered globals > > > >> > > >>>>>> > - Currently modules save it themselves when they > are > > > >> loaded > > > >> > > >>>>>> > - This won't work (reliably) for saving references > > to > > > >> > globals > > > >> > > >>>>>> > overridden by other modules > > > >> > > >>>>>> > - This gets in the way of the idea of lazy-loading > > > >> modules > > > >> > > >>>>>>via > > > >> > > >>>>>> >getters > > > >> > > >>>>>> > - Support the use of other module loaders > > > >> > > >>>>>> > - So... don't do crazy things at require() time. > > > >> > > >>>>>> > > > > >> > > >>>>>> > > > > >> > > >>>>>> >Requirements: > > > >> > > >>>>>> > > > > >> > > >>>>>> > - Plugins must be able to declare dependencies > > > >> > > >>>>>> > - Plugins must be able to delay onDeviceReady() > > > >> > > >>>>>> > - Plugins must be able to run code to initialize > > > >> > > >>>>>> > > > > >> > > >>>>>> > > > > >> > > >>>>>> >Implementation modulemapper.js: > > > >> > > >>>>>> > > > > >> > > >>>>>> > - clobbers(...) > > > >> > > >>>>>> > - merges(...) > > > >> > > >>>>>> > - defaults(...) > > > >> > > >>>>>> > - mapModules(wnd) > > > >> > > >>>>>> > - getOriginalSymbol('FileSystem') > > > >> > > >>>>>> > > > > >> > > >>>>>> > > > > >> > > >>>>>> >Start-up flow: > > > >> > > >>>>>> > > > > >> > > >>>>>> > 1. Parse all modules > > > >> > > >>>>>> > 2. common-bootstrap: > > > >> > > >>>>>> > 1. Loads list of modules named "cordova.*/symbols" > > > >> > > >>>>>> > 2. Run modulemapper.mapModules(window); > > > >> > > >>>>>> > 3. Loads list of modules named "cordova.*/main" > > > >> > > >>>>>> > > > > >> > > >>>>>> > > > > >> > > >>>>>> >symbols.js files: > > > >> > > >>>>>> > > > > >> > > >>>>>> > - Will make calls to modulemapper instead of > exporting > > > >> > > >>>>>>{clobbers:} > > > >> > > >>>>>> > - This make dependencies work by require()ing > > > >>dependent > > > >> > > >>>>>>symbols > > > >> > > >>>>>> > - We want the to be an evaluated .js file instead of > > > >> something > > > >> > > >>>>>> listed > > > >> > > >>>>>> >in > > > >> > > >>>>>> > plugin.xml > > > >> > > >>>>>> > - So that it can export based on browser version > > > >> > > >>>>>> > > > > >> > > >>>>>> > > > > >> > > >>>>>> >Implementation Steps > > > >> > > >>>>>> > > > > >> > > >>>>>> > 1. Expose list of registered modules in > > > >>scripts/require.js > > > >> so > > > >> > > >>>>>>that > > > >> > > >>>>>> we > > > >> > > >>>>>> > can loop over them > > > >> > > >>>>>> > 2. Write modulemapper.js (and have unit tests, of > > course) > > > >> > > >>>>>> > 3. Add logic to bootstrap.js that calls into > > modulemapper > > > >> > > >>>>>> > 4. create $PLUGIN_NAME/symbols.js files for each > plugin > > > >> within > > > >> > > >>>>>> cordova. > > > >> > > >>>>>> > 5. Add logic to bootstrap.js that calls into > > modulemapper > > > >> > > >>>>>> > 6. Create main.js files for those that currently have > > > >>logic > > > >> in > > > >> > > >>>>>> their > > > >> > > >>>>>> > platform.js files > > > >> > > >>>>>> > > > > >> > > >>>>>> >* > > > >> > > >>>>>> > > > >> > > >>>>>> > > > >> > > >>>>> > > > >> > > >>>> > > > >> > > >>> > > > >> > > >> > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > > > > > >
