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On Thu, Mar 21, 2013 at 4:38 PM, Brian LeRoux <[email protected]> wrote: > Ok, I think we have agreement that we'll put these guys on hold until > they find a steward. This means: > > - we won't be taggin them further > - we won't be including them in a release > > This does not mean: > > - deletion or archiving or attic for the src > > (Think of it as a pause button!) > > Agree/disagree? > > On Wed, Mar 20, 2013 at 7:47 AM, Andrew Grieve <[email protected]> > wrote: > > If there are no fixes going into these platforms, then there is no > benefit > > in their users updating them to newer versions of Cordova. > > > > There's going to be more refactoring required when moving plugins to > their > > own repos. We'll really need owners for all platforms that will make the > > transition, or else we won't have any way to test that the refactoring > > hasn't broken a platform. On specific example is that blackberry's JS > repo > > is really 4-in-1 currently, and our plugin spec doesn't have support for > > this. They will need to be split out into 4 separate platforms, at least > as > > far as the JS is concerned. > > > > So... I guess my +1 is just for any platform that doesn't have a someone > > willing to focus on it. E.g. I'm fine with keeping WebOS around if Markus > > wants to do the work to support it through this transition. > > > > > > On Tue, Mar 19, 2013 at 10:52 PM, Ken Wallis <[email protected]> > wrote: > > > >> > >> We will try to provide relevant stats on platform adoption as we are > able. > >> I am anxiously awaiting that information myself. ;) > >> > >> While lacking this information, I still feel that BBOS will be with us > for > >> a deal of time, particularly in the enterprise where we are seeing a > >> significant trend towards Cordova/PhoneGap/WebWorks as the primary > platform > >> of choice for apps. This is, frustratingly, a difficult market to get > >> adequate metrics out of, as they will typically not use PhoneGap Build > IMO, > >> and they don't deploy to commercial application stores. A bit of a black > >> box, but our enterprise support teams continually support the notion > that > >> enterprise looks at HTML5 apps first. > >> > >> In this regard, we would like to see support for BBOS be maintained in > the > >> short term. Our team is focused on bringing up BlackBerry 10 built on > >> Cordova, and once that has gotten to a stable point we will then be > able to > >> look at resources and determine if BBOS is still a valuable platform to > >> support and if we can port BBOS to the new structures. > >> > >> Hope that makes sense. > >> > >> Sent from my BlackBerry Z10 smartphone. > >> From: Anis KADRI > >> Sent: Monday, March 18, 2013 1:00 PM > >> To: [email protected] > >> Reply To: [email protected] > >> Subject: Re: archiving older platforms > >> > >> > >> s/QR/Qt > >> > >> > >> On Mon, Mar 18, 2013 at 8:58 AM, Lorin Beer <[email protected] > >> >wrote: > >> > >> > +1 Bada/webOS/QR > >> > > >> > echoing Michael's point, I'd like to see usage stats on the older BB > >> > platforms. BB10 should absolutely be the focus, but If they are > currently > >> > being used, mothballing may be premature. Revisiting the issues > >> regularly, > >> > and making one based on usage stats makes the most sense to me. > >> > > >> > > >> > On Sun, Mar 17, 2013 at 11:56 AM, Filip Maj <[email protected]> wrote: > >> > > >> > > +1 all of them, Java and Air implementations of BlackBerry as well. > >> > > > >> > > For the older implementations of BlackBerry, nothing is stopping > anyone > >> > > from using that code. The fact is that Java and Air-related fixes > have > >> > not > >> > > been going in regularly. The implementations are stable enough that > >> > > drawing a line in the sand and saying no more active support for the > >> > older > >> > > BB SDKs is acceptable in my opinion. > >> > > > >> > > On 3/17/13 11:44 AM, "Michael Brooks" <[email protected]> > >> wrote: > >> > > > >> > > >> > >> > > >> As far as bb 6 and 7, I am sure the majority of devices out there > >> are > >> > > >>BB 6 > >> > > >> and 7. BB10 just came out so there can't be that many yet. > >> Developers > >> > > >>don't > >> > > >> seem to be interested in those platform though and I think the > focus > >> > > >>should > >> > > >> be on BB10. > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > >It would probably be more accurate to say "BlackBerry Java" which > >> > includes > >> > > >BB 4.6/5/6/7 - yep, we "support" all the way back 4.6 although no > one > >> > > >tests > >> > > >that far back anymore. > >> > > > > >> > > >I've heard BlackBerry voice the opinion that they would like to see > >> > Apache > >> > > >Cordova focus solely on BlackBerry 10. However, PhoneGap/Build has > >> seen > >> > a > >> > > >large demand for BlackBerry 5 and 6. > >> > > > > >> > > >+1 Bada > >> > > > > >> > > >+1 webOS - we may want to bring this out of the Attic in the future > >> > > > > >> > > >+1 QR - we may want to bring it this out of the Attic when gearing > up > >> > for > >> > > >Ubuntu Phone > >> > > > > >> > > >+0 BB - I want to talk with the our PhoneGap/Build team to better > >> > > >understand their stance. I'd also like Ken or Jeff from BlackBerry > to > >> > > >chime > >> > > >in with their opinion. > >> > > > > >> > > >On Sun, Mar 17, 2013 at 10:11 AM, Anis KADRI <[email protected] > > > >> > > wrote: > >> > > > > >> > > >> +1 to kill those platforms and archive them in the attic :-D > >> > > >> > >> > > >> If WebOS, Qt become relevant again we can revive them from the > >> attic. > >> > > >> > >> > > >> > >> > > >> On Sun, Mar 17, 2013 at 10:09 AM, Anis KADRI < > [email protected]> > >> > > >>wrote: > >> > > >> > >> > > >> > According to [1]: > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > "Projects whose PMC are unable to muster 3 votes for a release, > >> who > >> > > >>have > >> > > >> > no active committers or are unable to fulfill their reporting > >> duties > >> > > >>to > >> > > >> the > >> > > >> > board are all good candidates for the Attic." > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > I believe those projects satisfy the "no active committers" > >> > argument. > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > I don't see any active committers for Bada, Qt or WebOS. > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > Markus Leutwyler is the only WebOS committer and is no longer > >> > > >>employed by > >> > > >> > the company that is in charge of it and I am not sure if he's > >> still > >> > > >> > interested in maintaining it. There are still devices out > there I > >> am > >> > > >>sure > >> > > >> > but no new devices are getting shipped. > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > Bada is officially dead [2] but they still released an SDK a > >> couple > >> > of > >> > > >> > weeks ago [3] O_O! They still owned #4 spot in Q3 2012 ahead of > >> > > >>Windows > >> > > >> > Phone [4] > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > As far as bb 6 and 7, I am sure the majority of devices out > there > >> > are > >> > > >>BB > >> > > >> 6 > >> > > >> > and 7. BB10 just came out so there can't be that many yet. > >> > Developers > >> > > >> don't > >> > > >> > seem to be interested in those platform though and I think the > >> focus > >> > > >> should > >> > > >> > be on BB10. > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > [1] http://attic.apache.org/ > >> > > >> > [2] > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > >> > > >> > >> > > > >> > > >> > http://www.fiercemobilecontent.com/story/samsung-scraps-bada-os-folds-it- > >> > > >>tizen/2013-02-25 > >> > > >> > [3] http://static.bada.com/releasenotes/2.0.6.html > >> > > >> > [4] http://www.gartner.com/newsroom/id/2237315 > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > On Sat, Mar 16, 2013 at 10:15 PM, Brian LeRoux <[email protected]> > >> wrote: > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> >> The question has come up about our continued support for: > >> > > >> >> > >> > > >> >> - bada > >> > > >> >> - webos > >> > > >> >> - qt > >> > > >> >> - bb6 & bb7 > >> > > >> >> > >> > > >> >> Nobody is currently actively maintaining Bada, and Qt. > However, I > >> > > >> >> could see us wanting to keep Qt around given Ubuntu Phone. > There > >> > are > >> > > >> >> no new webOS devices, though rumours persist they could > happen, > >> it > >> > > >> >> seems like its more of a ceremony than real support. The > older BB > >> > > >> >> platforms are maintained but the real focus is BB10. > >> > > >> >> > >> > > >> >> Thoughts? > >> > > >> >> > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > >> > >> --------------------------------------------------------------------- > >> This transmission (including any attachments) may contain confidential > >> information, privileged material (including material protected by the > >> solicitor-client or other applicable privileges), or constitute > non-public > >> information. Any use of this information by anyone other than the > intended > >> recipient is prohibited. If you have received this transmission in > error, > >> please immediately reply to the sender and delete this information from > >> your system. Use, dissemination, distribution, or reproduction of this > >> transmission by unintended recipients is not authorized and may be > unlawful. > >> >
