Fil, I'm sure we'll be going over our release process ad nauseam over the next few weeks, but I don't think that is an accurate portrayal of how this release was handled.
This was a breakdown in communication, and delegation of responsibility. What you describe in your last paragraph is exactly what happened: others stepped up to the plate to test and tag projects that they might not normally contribute to or maintain, but know how to use. The problem was we didn't know that it was going to be required of us ahead of time. Sorting through this disorganization delayed the timely release of 2.8rc1, and with 3.0 looming, this simply cannot happen again. If you normally tag a platform for a release, and you know a release is looming, and you know you'll be away at a conference, your due diligence is to ensure that someone else knows it will be their job your absence. I'd like to thank Steve again for getting this release out from jsconf. He stepped up to the plate, worked through last minute problems with coho and got the rc out on short notice. - Lorin On Sat, Jun 1, 2013 at 6:17 PM, Filip Maj <f...@adobe.com> wrote: > Sorry guys just catching up on mail now. > > The fact that someone is not present is not a good reason for blocking > tagging or a release. > > All committers should be comfortable with all platforms at a minimum level > of creating a project and running tests. This includes the core platform > frameworks as well as docs, cli and plugman. I understand that not > everyone has a device they can test on for all platforms and that's fine, > but tagging + generating the docs, or running the tests for plugman or > cordova-cli is doable by anyone. If you happen to give the plugin + cli > tooling a go on a real device, even better. > > On 6/1/13 2:32 PM, "Brian LeRoux" <b...@brian.io> wrote: > >>yup, see no reason why not >> >>On Sat, Jun 1, 2013 at 11:24 AM, Steven Gill <stevengil...@gmail.com> >>wrote: >>> Looking at coho and the 2.8.0rc1, it is not in the release bundle. >>> >>> I believe we should add it to the release bundle and push it to npm. The >>> readme with the CLI can have instructions for installing with and >>>without >>> npm. >>> >>> Thoughts? >>> -Steve >>> >>> >>> On Fri, May 31, 2013 at 2:24 PM, Braden Shepherdson >>><bra...@chromium.org>wrote: >>> >>>> I'll take a look at the state of CLI for 2.8.x. It should definitely be >>>> tagged on the release branch, and if that branch is forked off of >>>>master it >>>> should probably be rebased. I'll take a look at its state and adjust >>>> appropriately. >>>> >>>> Is CLI part of the release bundle, or is it pushed to npm instead? >>>> >>>> Braden >>>> >>>> >>>> On Fri, May 31, 2013 at 3:09 PM, Benn Mapes <benn.ma...@gmail.com> >>>>wrote: >>>> >>>> > Do IT! nice job. >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > On Fri, May 31, 2013 at 12:07 PM, Steven Gill <stevengil...@gmail.com >>>> > >wrote: >>>> > >>>> > > Okay. Got it packaged up. 2.8.0rc1 can be found at >>>> > > https://dist.apache.org/repos/dist/release/cordova/. >>>> > > >>>> > > I will start another thread about starting the process for 2.8.0. >>>> > > >>>> > > Cheers, >>>> > > -Steve >>>> > > >>>> > > >>>> > > On Fri, May 31, 2013 at 11:21 AM, Lorin Beer >>>><lorin.beer....@gmail.com >>>> > > >wrote: >>>> > > >>>> > > > awesome, thanks! >>>> > > > >>>> > > > On Fri, May 31, 2013 at 10:44 AM, Steven Gill < >>>> stevengil...@gmail.com> >>>> > > > wrote: >>>> > > > > Working on it. >>>> > > > > >>>> > > > > >>>> > > > > On Fri, May 31, 2013 at 10:27 AM, Lorin Beer < >>>> > lorin.beer....@gmail.com >>>> > > > >wrote: >>>> > > > > >>>> > > > >> Steve, have you cut the release? >>>> > > > >> >>>> > > > >> On Fri, May 31, 2013 at 2:53 AM, Shazron <shaz...@gmail.com> >>>> wrote: >>>> > > > >> > Updated the cli tag to be on 2.8.x branch >>>> > > > >> > >>>> > > > >> > >>>> > > > >> > On Thu, May 30, 2013 at 5:13 PM, Shazron <shaz...@gmail.com> >>>> > wrote: >>>> > > > >> > >>>> > > > >> >> Not sure who tagged 2.8.0rc1 on master2, but it really >>>>should >>>> > have >>>> > > > been >>>> > > > >> >> tagged in the 2.8.x branch. >>>> > > > >> >> >>>> > > > >> >> >>>> > > > >> >>>> > > > >>>> > > >>>> > >>>> >>>>https://git-wip-us.apache.org/repos/asf?p=cordova-cli.git;a=shortlog;h=r >>>>efs/heads/master2 >>>> > > > >> >> >>>> > > > >> >> >>>> > > > >> >> On Thu, May 30, 2013 at 4:58 PM, Shazron >>>><shaz...@gmail.com> >>>> > > wrote: >>>> > > > >> >> >>>> > > > >> >>> Not sure how to proceed with this, I'm prob not the one to >>>> ask. >>>> > > I'd >>>> > > > say >>>> > > > >> >>> since the stakeholders are away, probably leave it as is, >>>>and >>>> I >>>> > > can >>>> > > > >> tag it >>>> > > > >> >>> later using coho. >>>> > > > >> >>> >>>> > > > >> >>> >>>> > > > >> >>> On Thu, May 30, 2013 at 4:55 PM, Benn Mapes < >>>> > benn.ma...@gmail.com >>>> > > > >>>> > > > >> wrote: >>>> > > > >> >>> >>>> > > > >> >>>> For the CLI I just updated master2 branch and tested it >>>>on >>>> > > windows >>>> > > > + >>>> > > > >> mac >>>> > > > >> >>>> and everything but the plugin add/remove works. If it >>>>still >>>> > isn't >>>> > > > >> tagged >>>> > > > >> >>>> we >>>> > > > >> >>>> might as well rebase the 2.8.x branch with master2. (I >>>>can do >>>> > > this >>>> > > > if >>>> > > > >> >>>> people are ok with it, otherwise we can just leave it as >>>>is.) >>>> > > > >> >>>> >>>> > > > >> >>>> >>>> > > > >> >>>> On Thu, May 30, 2013 at 3:51 PM, Lorin Beer < >>>> > > > lorin.beer....@gmail.com >>>> > > > >> >>>> >wrote: >>>> > > > >> >>>> >>>> > > > >> >>>> > Anis, if you can test this for us before the end of >>>>today, >>>> > > great. >>>> > > > >> >>>> > >>>> > > > >> >>>> > Otherwise, +1 for tagging at EOD, allowing Steve to >>>>cut the >>>> > > > release >>>> > > > >> >>>> > first thing tomorrow. >>>> > > > >> >>>> > >>>> > > > >> >>>> > On Thu, May 30, 2013 at 3:40 PM, Shazron < >>>> shaz...@gmail.com> >>>> > > > wrote: >>>> > > > >> >>>> > > Someone more familiar with CLI should look at this. >>>> Looking >>>> > > at >>>> > > > the >>>> > > > >> >>>> repo, >>>> > > > >> >>>> > > the only sig. change was for Windows by Benn, after >>>>the >>>> > last >>>> > > > time >>>> > > > >> Fil >>>> > > > >> >>>> > > checked in code. >>>> > > > >> >>>> > > According to the repo, running 'npm test' should run >>>>the >>>> > > tests >>>> > > > >> but I >>>> > > > >> >>>> get >>>> > > > >> >>>> > > this error below. Not sure how to proceed... by EOD >>>>I say >>>> > > just >>>> > > > tag >>>> > > > >> >>>> it, >>>> > > > >> >>>> > and >>>> > > > >> >>>> > > if any issues arise we can fix for 2.8.0 final. >>>> > > > >> >>>> > > >>>> > > > >> >>>> > > ------------------------ >>>> > > > >> >>>> > >> cordova@2.7.4 test >>>> > > > /Users/shaz/Documents/Git/Apache/cordova-cli >>>> > > > >> >>>> > >> ./node_modules/jasmine-node/bin/jasmine-node --color >>>> > > > >> >>>> spec/cordova-cli >>>> > > > >> >>>> > > >>>> > > > >> >>>> > > >>>> > > > >> >>>> > > >>>> > > > >> >>>> > >>>> > > > >> >>>> >>>> > > > >> >>>> > > > >>>> > > >>>> > >>>> >>>>/Users/shaz/Documents/Git/Apache/cordova-cli/node_modules/jasmine-node/l >>>>ib/jasmine-node/index.js:24 >>>> > > > >> >>>> > > var minorVersion = >>>> > process.version.match(/\d\.(\d)\.\d/)[1]; >>>> > > > >> >>>> > > >>>> ^ >>>> > > > >> >>>> > > TypeError: Cannot read property '1' of null >>>> > > > >> >>>> > > at Object.<anonymous> >>>> > > > >> >>>> > > >>>> > > > >> >>>> > >>>> > > > >> >>>> >>>> > > > >> >>>> > > > >>>> > > >>>> > >>>> >>>>(/Users/shaz/Documents/Git/Apache/cordova-cli/node_modules/jasmine-node/ >>>>lib/jasmine-node/index.js:24:57) >>>> > > > >> >>>> > > at Module._compile (module.js:456:26) >>>> > > > >> >>>> > > at Object.Module._extensions..js >>>>(module.js:474:10) >>>> > > > >> >>>> > > at Module.load (module.js:356:32) >>>> > > > >> >>>> > > at Function.Module._load (module.js:312:12) >>>> > > > >> >>>> > > at Module.require (module.js:364:17) >>>> > > > >> >>>> > > at require (module.js:380:17) >>>> > > > >> >>>> > > at Object.<anonymous> >>>> > > > >> >>>> > > >>>> > > > >> >>>> > >>>> > > > >> >>>> >>>> > > > >> >>>> > > > >>>> > > >>>> > >>>> >>>>(/Users/shaz/Documents/Git/Apache/cordova-cli/node_modules/jasmine-node/ >>>>lib/jasmine-node/cli.js:1:77) >>>> > > > >> >>>> > > at Module._compile (module.js:456:26) >>>> > > > >> >>>> > > at Object.Module._extensions..js >>>>(module.js:474:10) >>>> > > > >> >>>> > > npm ERR! weird error 8 >>>> > > > >> >>>> > > npm ERR! not ok code 0 >>>> > > > >> >>>> > > >>>> > > > >> >>>> > > >>>> > > > >> >>>> > > >>>> > > > >> >>>> > > >>>> > > > >> >>>> > > On Thu, May 30, 2013 at 3:24 PM, Steven Gill < >>>> > > > >> stevengil...@gmail.com >>>> > > > >> >>>> > >>>> > > > >> >>>> > wrote: >>>> > > > >> >>>> > > >>>> > > > >> >>>> > >> I asked Fil. He said he hasn't looked at it >>>>recently. He >>>> > > says >>>> > > > it >>>> > > > >> >>>> should >>>> > > > >> >>>> > >> probably be tested. >>>> > > > >> >>>> > >> >>>> > > > >> >>>> > >> If everything gets tagged, I can look into >>>>packaging it >>>> up >>>> > > > >> tomorrow >>>> > > > >> >>>> and >>>> > > > >> >>>> > >> releasing/announcing on the various channels. >>>> > > > >> >>>> > >> On May 30, 2013 5:58 PM, "Lorin Beer" < >>>> > > > lorin.beer....@gmail.com> >>>> > > > >> >>>> wrote: >>>> > > > >> >>>> > >> >>>> > > > >> >>>> > >> > this is for RC, and I assumed we would, but I >>>>don't >>>> > think >>>> > > > it's >>>> > > > >> an >>>> > > > >> >>>> > >> > absolute requirement... >>>> > > > >> >>>> > >> > >>>> > > > >> >>>> > >> > Joe, can you bug Fil/Michael about the status of >>>>CLI >>>> and >>>> > > > wether >>>> > > > >> >>>> they >>>> > > > >> >>>> > can >>>> > > > >> >>>> > >> > tag? >>>> > > > >> >>>> > >> > >>>> > > > >> >>>> > >> > On Thu, May 30, 2013 at 2:55 PM, Joe Bowser < >>>> > > > bows...@gmail.com >>>> > > > >> > >>>> > > > >> >>>> > wrote: >>>> > > > >> >>>> > >> > > This is for RC1, right? Do we need docs to even >>>>be >>>> > > tagged >>>> > > > to >>>> > > > >> do >>>> > > > >> >>>> an >>>> > > > >> >>>> > RC? >>>> > > > >> >>>> > >> > > >>>> > > > >> >>>> > >> > > On Thu, May 30, 2013 at 5:36 PM, Lorin Beer < >>>> > > > >> >>>> > lorin.beer....@gmail.com> >>>> > > > >> >>>> > >> > wrote: >>>> > > > >> >>>> > >> > >> Blocking issues on Mobile Spec have been >>>>tested and >>>> > > > >> resolved. >>>> > > > >> >>>> > >> > >> Mobile-Spec is now tagged. >>>> > > > >> >>>> > >> > >> >>>> > > > >> >>>> > >> > >> We are just waiting on Docs, and CLI. >>>> > > > >> >>>> > >> > >> >>>> > > > >> >>>> > >> > >> >>>> > > > >> >>>> > >> > >> >>>> > > > >> >>>> > >> > >> On Thu, May 30, 2013 at 2:30 PM, Shazron < >>>> > > > shaz...@gmail.com >>>> > > > >> > >>>> > > > >> >>>> > wrote: >>>> > > > >> >>>> > >> > >>> Using coho to tag. D'oh - Andrew already >>>>tagged >>>> iOS, >>>> > > > doing >>>> > > > >> OS >>>> > > > >> >>>> X >>>> > > > >> >>>> > now >>>> > > > >> >>>> > >> > >>> >>>> > > > >> >>>> > >> > >>> >>>> > > > >> >>>> > >> > >>> On Thu, May 30, 2013 at 1:58 PM, Shazron < >>>> > > > >> shaz...@gmail.com> >>>> > > > >> >>>> > wrote: >>>> > > > >> >>>> > >> > >>> >>>> > > > >> >>>> > >> > >>>> I'm tagging iOS and OS X shortly.... >>>> > > > >> >>>> > >> > >>>> >>>> > > > >> >>>> > >> > >>>> >>>> > > > >> >>>> > >> > >>>> On Thu, May 30, 2013 at 12:03 PM, Al Harding >>>>< >>>> > > > >> >>>> > >> alharding...@gmail.com >>>> > > > >> >>>> > >> > >wrote: >>>> > > > >> >>>> > >> > >>>> >>>> > > > >> >>>> > >> > >>>>> I also sent off an email to Steve too to see >>>> about >>>> > > > >> helping >>>> > > > >> >>>> us >>>> > > > >> >>>> > out. >>>> > > > >> >>>> > >> > >>>>> >>>> > > > >> >>>> > >> > >>>>> Let's do this! >>>> > > > >> >>>> > >> > >>>>> Al >>>> > > > >> >>>> > >> > >>>>> >>>> > > > >> >>>> > >> > >>>>> >>>> > > > >> >>>> > >> > >>>>> >>>> > > > >> >>>> > >> > >>>>> On Thu, May 30, 2013 at 11:40 AM, Lorin >>>>Beer < >>>> > > > >> >>>> > >> > lorin.beer....@gmail.com >>>> > > > >> >>>> > >> > >>>>> >wrote: >>>> > > > >> >>>> > >> > >>>>> >>>> > > > >> >>>> > >> > >>>>> > I think the delay is mostly due to our >>>>team >>>> > being >>>> > > > away >>>> > > > >> at >>>> > > > >> >>>> > >> > conferences >>>> > > > >> >>>> > >> > >>>>> this >>>> > > > >> >>>> > >> > >>>>> > week. >>>> > > > >> >>>> > >> > >>>>> > >>>> > > > >> >>>> > >> > >>>>> > components left to tag: >>>> > > > >> >>>> > >> > >>>>> > iOS >>>> > > > >> >>>> > >> > >>>>> > docs >>>> > > > >> >>>> > >> > >>>>> > CLI >>>> > > > >> >>>> > >> > >>>>> > Mobile Spec >>>> > > > >> >>>> > >> > >>>>> > >>>> > > > >> >>>> > >> > >>>>> > I talked with Shaz on tuesday, there are >>>>no >>>> > > > blockers on >>>> > > > >> >>>> iOS. >>>> > > > >> >>>> > He's >>>> > > > >> >>>> > >> > at >>>> > > > >> >>>> > >> > >>>>> > fluent today, but I would imagine he could >>>> > easily >>>> > > > get >>>> > > > >> it >>>> > > > >> >>>> > tagged. >>>> > > > >> >>>> > >> > >>>>> > Joe, can you bug Michael and Fil to tag >>>>CLI >>>> and >>>> > > > docs? I >>>> > > > >> >>>> can >>>> > > > >> >>>> > tag >>>> > > > >> >>>> > >> > mobile >>>> > > > >> >>>> > >> > >>>>> > spec this afternoon if no one else does. >>>>Then >>>> > > Steve >>>> > > > can >>>> > > > >> >>>> cut >>>> > > > >> >>>> > the >>>> > > > >> >>>> > >> > >>>>> > release. >>>> > > > >> >>>> > >> > >>>>> > >>>> > > > >> >>>> > >> > >>>>> > Let's get this done. >>>> > > > >> >>>> > >> > >>>>> > >>>> > > > >> >>>> > >> > >>>>> > - Lorin >>>> > > > >> >>>> > >> > >>>>> > >>>> > > > >> >>>> > >> > >>>>> > >>>> > > > >> >>>> > >> > >>>>> > On Thu, May 30, 2013 at 11:06 AM, Joe >>>>Bowser < >>>> > > > >> >>>> > bows...@gmail.com> >>>> > > > >> >>>> > >> > wrote: >>>> > > > >> >>>> > >> > >>>>> > > It doesn't help that I'm at JSConf. >>>>I'll >>>> tag >>>> > > > >> Android if >>>> > > > >> >>>> > this >>>> > > > >> >>>> > >> > helps >>>> > > > >> >>>> > >> > >>>>> moves >>>> > > > >> >>>> > >> > >>>>> > > things along. >>>> > > > >> >>>> > >> > >>>>> > > On May 30, 2013 1:15 PM, "Braden >>>> Shepherdson" >>>> > < >>>> > > > >> >>>> > >> > bra...@chromium.org> >>>> > > > >> >>>> > >> > >>>>> > wrote: >>>> > > > >> >>>> > >> > >>>>> > > >>>> > > > >> >>>> > >> > >>>>> > >> I think part of the delay here is >>>>because >>>> > > Andrew, >>>> > > > >> who's >>>> > > > >> >>>> > been >>>> > > > >> >>>> > >> > driving >>>> > > > >> >>>> > >> > >>>>> a >>>> > > > >> >>>> > >> > >>>>> > >> large part of the release process, is >>>>at >>>> the >>>> > > > >> hospital >>>> > > > >> >>>> > having a >>>> > > > >> >>>> > >> > baby >>>> > > > >> >>>> > >> > >>>>> > today. >>>> > > > >> >>>> > >> > >>>>> > >> >>>> > > > >> >>>> > >> > >>>>> > >> We should survey the different release >>>> > process >>>> > > > bugs >>>> > > > >> >>>> and see >>>> > > > >> >>>> > >> what >>>> > > > >> >>>> > >> > >>>>> still >>>> > > > >> >>>> > >> > >>>>> > >> needs to be done. Are any repos left >>>> > untagged? >>>> > > If >>>> > > > >> not, >>>> > > > >> >>>> > we're >>>> > > > >> >>>> > >> > probably >>>> > > > >> >>>> > >> > >>>>> > ready >>>> > > > >> >>>> > >> > >>>>> > >> to create the rc1 bundle. If so, we >>>>should >>>> > get >>>> > > > them >>>> > > > >> >>>> moving >>>> > > > >> >>>> > >> > forward. >>>> > > > >> >>>> > >> > >>>>> > >> >>>> > > > >> >>>> > >> > >>>>> > >> Braden >>>> > > > >> >>>> > >> > >>>>> > >> >>>> > > > >> >>>> > >> > >>>>> > >> >>>> > > > >> >>>> > >> > >>>>> > >> On Thu, May 30, 2013 at 1:12 PM, Jesse >>>>< >>>> > > > >> >>>> > >> purplecabb...@gmail.com >>>> > > > >> >>>> > >> > > >>>> > > > >> >>>> > >> > >>>>> wrote: >>>> > > > >> >>>> > >> > >>>>> > >> >>>> > > > >> >>>> > >> > >>>>> > >> > Are we ever going to move past >>>>2.8.0rc1? >>>> Or >>>> > > > even >>>> > > > >> get >>>> > > > >> >>>> rc1 >>>> > > > >> >>>> > >> out? >>>> > > > >> >>>> > >> > >>>>> > >> > Our new process does not seem to be >>>> helping >>>> > > us, >>>> > > > >> and >>>> > > > >> >>>> I am >>>> > > > >> >>>> > >> very >>>> > > > >> >>>> > >> > >>>>> > discouraged >>>> > > > >> >>>> > >> > >>>>> > >> > given that we have a looming major >>>> release >>>> > > and >>>> > > > a >>>> > > > >> firm >>>> > > > >> >>>> > date >>>> > > > >> >>>> > >> > target. >>>> > > > >> >>>> > >> > >>>>> > >> > >>>> > > > >> >>>> > >> > >>>>> > >> > Can we regroup? refocus? >>>> > > > >> >>>> > >> > >>>>> > >> > >>>> > > > >> >>>> > >> > >>>>> > >> > Cheers, >>>> > > > >> >>>> > >> > >>>>> > >> > Jesse >>>> > > > >> >>>> > >> > >>>>> > >> > >>>> > > > >> >>>> > >> > >>>>> > >> > >>>> > > > >> >>>> > >> > >>>>> > >> > @purplecabbage >>>> > > > >> >>>> > >> > >>>>> > >> > risingj.com >>>> > > > >> >>>> > >> > >>>>> > >> > >>>> > > > >> >>>> > >> > >>>>> > >> >>>> > > > >> >>>> > >> > >>>>> > >>>> > > > >> >>>> > >> > >>>>> >>>> > > > >> >>>> > >> > >>>> >>>> > > > >> >>>> > >> > >>>> >>>> > > > >> >>>> > >> > >>>> > > > >> >>>> > >> >>>> > > > >> >>>> > >>>> > > > >> >>>> >>>> > > > >> >>> >>>> > > > >> >>> >>>> > > > >> >> >>>> > > > >> >>>> > > > >>>> > > >>>> > >>>> >
