Joe - totally uncalled for. Not sure where it even came from. If you hate Apache so much, then why are you a *volunteer* on an Apache project?
I'm fairly confident that there is not a good understanding of what it means to be a PMC, or PMC chair, and Jim is spending his time to help us out. Jim - thank you. On Tue, Apr 22, 2014 at 9:03 PM, Joe Bowser <bows...@gmail.com> wrote: > On Tue, Apr 22, 2014 at 5:52 PM, Jim Jagielski <j...@jagunet.com> wrote: >> There is one other aspect of the chair which, for a somewhat >> newish PMC is important: The entire PMC is responsible for >> ensuring that the project is run in a way which abides by, >> and embraces, the "Apache Way"... when it doesn't, the >> Chair needs to (1) know that the PMC is going awry and >> (2) encourage the PMC to fix those problems and (3) >> interact w/ the board if the PMC needs help in doing so. >> > > So, who is to protect the PMC from yourself and rest of the board > trying to destroy the project with insults and vitriol? While I > believe that Shazron is up to the task, I'm convinced that "The Apache > Way" is the worst way to run a software project, and that the Apache > Board spends all their time trying to find ways to debate itself into > irrelevancy. I wish that we never joined the ASF, and honestly when > you told us that we should leave months ago, I welcomed it. That > being said, we're still here, despite your best efforts. We've seen > what happens when the board tries to help, and it generally pisses a > bunch of committers off, and ends up with people insulting each other > personally. This response to your first e-mail on this list should > not come as any surprise. > > The fact is that Shaz fits well, because unlike me, he is diplomatic > and won't tell you to jump off a cliff every time you or any other > Apache person comes in and tries to interfere with our project. > > >> Not knowing Shaz personally, how does that all fit in >> with the nomination? >> >> On Apr 22, 2014, at 5:34 PM, Brian LeRoux <b...@brian.io> wrote: >> >>> Hello Cordova community. To this point I've served as the chair for the >>> Cordova PMC. >>> >>> The duties of chair are solely administrative: board reports, and book >>> keeping of committer nominations. Some projects at Apache have more formal >>> incantations. We have, so far, preferred to maintain our lightweight >>> approach meaning a committer is a PMC member too. This involves sending an >>> email, updating a text file in SVN, and running a few perl scripts on >>> http://people.apache.org. Keeping those books is important if some day >>> there is a dispute to the veracity of our source. >>> >>> In evaluation of my current workload these additional book keeping >>> responsibilities are not appropriate for me to prioritize and that is not >>> fair to Cordova. >>> >>> I'm going to step down as chair for Cordova and I would like to nominate >>> Shazron Abdullha to take on the role. Shaz has been with the project since >>> before it was called Cordova. He lands more code than most, interacts >>> directly with the community more than anyone, and is committed to work on >>> Cordova solely full time. He'll be a better chair than I ever was. >>> >>> I won't be going anywhere and (I hope!) this means I can contribute more >>> code than emails in the future. We can be formal and go to a vote if there >>> is objection or interest in seeing someone else take the admin duties on. >>> Otherwise, I'll aim to shoot the board official notice early next week. >>
