Thanks Parashuram! I added a few more points to it.
On Tue, Apr 28, 2015 at 4:50 PM, Parashuram N (MS OPEN TECH) < panar...@microsoft.com> wrote: > I think we had some really great ideas here and I think as a community, we > can make Cordova better by improving our documentation. > > I started a new "Proposal" here - > https://github.com/cordova/cordova-discuss/blob/master/proposals/ImprovedDocumentation.md > to try and collect topics for articles that may be helpful, and add > suggestions. It would be great if folks who responded on the thread add > their ideas to the document. > > -----Original Message----- > From: Frederico Galvão [mailto:frederico.gal...@pontoget.com.br] > Sent: Wednesday, April 22, 2015 7:11 AM > To: dev > Subject: Re: Does Cordova have a problem making developers happy? > > As someone who has given a couple of local speechs and presentations about > Cordova, I could say with some certainty that most of the time what makes > Cordova a not-so-well known tool is the misconception about what it's aimed > at doing, and incoherent expectations towards what it CAN do for the > developer. > > Other than that, and all the small things that have been already mentioned > previously by everyone, I'd say that web development (the one out there, > not the one defined by ES{6,7,8} or future dream > tools/standards/frameworks) in general is still not ready to what is > needed for mobile development to be taken seriously and be able to build > complex applications successfully. Very few development teams have enough > awareness of how much more is needed on a well built application other than > jQuery and 256 plugins. > > In the end, everything sums up to how well defined expectations are. And > I'm sure Cordova, along with its website and documentation, can be a lot > better at guiding developers to better expectations towards everything that > can be expected from cordova, and what can't. > > I'm interested in contributing to this in whatever small way I can. > > 2015-04-19 21:48 GMT-03:00 Parashuram N (MS OPEN TECH) < > panar...@microsoft.com>: > > > I think FAQs, tutorials and blogs are great. I would also like to > > contribute to this. Maybe a good start would be to identify a the > > topics that require a blog post ? > > If we have a list of things to blog about, I am sure the community can > > come up with the actual articles and blog posts. > > I am sure my team would love to help with the content. Should we start > > putting together a list of topics that would need tutorials ? > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: Kerri Shotts [mailto:kerrisho...@gmail.com] > > Sent: Monday, April 13, 2015 8:57 PM > > To: dev@cordova.apache.org > > Subject: Re: Does Cordova have a problem making developers happy? > > > > I had similar ideas about writing some FAQs or posts. Great minds > > clearly think alike, right? ;-) (I'm joking. I know my mind... so not > > great... Wait... that might actually be an insult to everyone else. The > > only way to win is not to play! Aaaaaaaaaah! Clearly I need to go to > > bed. I've been staring at my latest book's chapter for way too long.) > > > > In fact, I've toyed with the idea of doing some screencasts using > > Cordova and the various tools I use with it (like gulp, browserify, > > and babeljs), and these could make some excellent topics as well. > > Especially debugging, because it's not always enough just to say > > "here's where you go to start debugging remotely". Debugging is a > > skill (an art, really), so I could see a lot from that topic alone, > > but geared more directly at typical debugging issues one finds in > Cordova dev. Hmm. Where to find the hours in the day? > > Or a clone... I could really use a clone... > > > > > > > > > > From: Raymond Camden <raymondcam...@gmail.com> > > Reply: dev@cordova.apache.org <dev@cordova.apache.org>> > > Date: April 13, 2015 at 8:18:39 PM > > To: dev@cordova.apache.org <dev@cordova.apache.org>> > > Subject: Re: Does Cordova have a problem making developers happy? > > > > Like Tommy, I may steal some of these for blog posts - > > > > "People is having troubles connecting with the server, some of them > > > because use localhost as the url, others because they don't > > > configure the whitelist properly, others for unknow reasons" > > > > As for the debug one, I ask, "Do you know how to remote debug?" about > > 5-10 times a week now. Sadly, now that it is so DARN easy to debug, > > folks just don't seem to know they CAN do it. > > > > On Mon, Apr 13, 2015 at 6:49 PM, tommy-carlos williams > > <to...@devgeeks.org> > > wrote: > > > If no one else has time to do something with this list by the time I > > > get > > free of my current stress-pile (say a couple weeks from now), I would > > love to take a crack at it. An FAQ with not just the list, but actual > > solutions and examples would be a great resource. > > > > > > Even if someone else does it, I might use it as the basis for a > > > series of blog posts or something. It's such a good summary of > > > people's frustrations. I would probably even have one or two to add > > > from the #phonegap IRC channel.. :/ > > > > > > -- > > > tommy-carlos williams > > > > > > On 14 April 2015 at 08:16:56, Josh Soref (jso...@blackberry.com) > wrote: > > > > > > So, I want someone to make this into a FAQ, somehow. > > > > > > I don't have time today, but it's a really great list. > > > > > > Bonus points for getting it Stickied at the top of StackOverflow. > > > > > > (obviously, it should include some explanation of how to correct > > > these things, and thankfully most are pretty easy to address.) > > > > > > Some are probably asking for samples (e.g. a "how to do things > > > slowly/choppily w/ left: vs. how to use CSS transitions" -- > > > Raymond?) > > > > > > Julio wrote an amazing summary of Cordova Stack Overflow posts: > > >> I read most of the questions with cordova tag on stackoverflow and > > >> the questions on the google group and I see this problems. > > >> > > >> - Some people don't read the docs > > >> - Some people read the wrong docs (they use cordova 2.9.1 because > > >> it's the latest they can download, but read the edge docs and > > >> things don't work as > > >> expected) > > >> - Some people follow old tutorials instead of reading the docs and > > >> the things have changed a lot and don't work. > > >> - Some people don't need cordova but use it anyway, they just want > > >> a webview to show their website > > >> - Some people use j***** ****** (I don't want to name it either) > > >> and blame cordova for the slowness > > >> - With cordova everybody can create apps, but configuring the PATH > > >> isn't easy for most people, a lot of questions are realated to > > >> this, they didn't configure the PATH, they did it but wrong, they > > >> don't know they have to set it (see my first point) > > >> - People is still confused about the difference between phonegap, > > >> cordova and phonegap build service, I see people using phonegap CLI > > >> for local development but try to "install" the plugins putting the > > >> phonegap build plugin config line on the config.xml (again, people > > >> don't read or don't understand the docs) > > >> - People want to use eclipse (now android studio) for the > > >> development, they google and see blog post about a plugin, but that > > >> plugin is very old and uses phonegap 1.x.x (see my second point) > > >> - People is having troubles connecting with the server, some of > > >> them because use localhost as the url, others because they don't > > >> configure the whitelist properly, others for unknow reasons. > > >> - Some of them discover bugs, but instead of reporting them so it > > >> can be fixed, just ask on stackoverflow why it doesn't work. > > >> - Most people don't know how to debug, then if something doesn't > > >> work just complain. > > >> - Some people forget to link the cordova.js file, they create the > > >> project and replace the index.html with the index.html of their > website. > > >> - Some people blame cordova when the problem is the webview (old > > >> android devices). > > >> > > >> > > >> About people that used cordova and are now developing in native, I > > >> bet most of them tried cordova on android 2.x.x with j***** ****** > > >> and it was slow, they read the articles about facebook and linkedin > > >> dropping html5 and switching to native and did the same, and after > > >> the effort they put on learning native development they don't wan't > > >> to go back and will tell everybody cordova is bad because it was > > >> slow > > when they tried it years ago. > > > > > > > > > > > -- > > ====================================================================== > > ===== Raymond Camden, Developer Advocate for MobileFirst at IBM > > > > Email : raymondcam...@gmail.com > > Blog : www.raymondcamden.com > > Twitter: raymondcamden > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > > To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@cordova.apache.org > > For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@cordova.apache.org > > > > > > > -- > > *Frederico Galvão* > > Diretor de Tecnologia > > PontoGet Inovação Web > > > ( +55(62) 8131-5720 > > * www.pontoget.com.br <http://www.pontoget.com/> > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@cordova.apache.org > For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@cordova.apache.org >
