Good observations Julio, we should definitely talk to stack-overflow about the merged tags.
Robert, you didn't send the pull request back to cordova/cordova-discuss, so no one could see it. I have done so here: https://github.com/cordova/cordova-discuss/pull/35 @purplecabbage risingj.com On Tue, Mar 29, 2016 at 4:29 AM, julio cesar sanchez <jcesarmob...@gmail.com > wrote: > Joe said: > > "I also find it interesting that people are hating on Cordova, and not > PhoneGap, Ionic, Taco or the other distributions." > > It's curious that Ionic has it's own tag, with about the same number of > questions that Cordova tag, but it's not on any of the lists (and it's not > because all Ionic questios are tagged with Cordova tag too, in fact, most > of them aren't) > > But when people is using Phonegap and add the Phonegap tag to the question, > stack overflow replaces it with a Cordova tag because they decided long > time ago that they were synonyms, so you can't use Phonegap tag and we > can't be sure if they are using Cordova or Phonegap unless they tell it on > the question. > > I think that's a mistake by stack overflow part, because people using > phonegap doesn't follow same workflow that people using cordova as Phonegap > docs are different, they mostly use the developer app to test, and phonegap > users might have different problems. > > There are a lot of questions about "xxxx-xxxx 3rd party plugin isn't > working on my app", and the problem is they are using the phonegap > developer app. But they don't mention that they are using phonegap, they > just add the phonegap tag, and stack overflow replaces it with a Cordova > tag. They don't mention that they are using the Phonegap developer app > neither because they think that's the way of running Phonegap apps. I see > at least one of those everyday on stack overflow or some other forums. > > I've filed a few issues on the phonegap docs page so they can make clearer > to users that when using the phonegap developer app they are not really > running their app, and they have some issues open to list the developer app > limitations. Once they are addressed, maybe the developers are a bit > happier. > > But I'm not sure what to do about the stack overflow synonym, should we > tell them to remove the synonym so people can use Phonegap and Cordova as > different tags? > > > > > 2016-03-29 8:23 GMT+02:00 Robert Posener <rposen...@gmail.com>: > > > I think I have created a discussion, but it is not showing up... yet > > another frustrations! > > > > Rob > > > > Regards > > *Rob Posener* > > 0419 012 627 > > > > On 29 March 2016 at 16:48, Parashuram N <panar...@microsoft.com> wrote: > > > > > I am not sure if everyone got the attachment. Rob, can I request you > to > > > create an issue on https://github.com/cordova/cordova-discuss so that > we > > > could start following up on specific issues there ? > > > > > > From: Robert Posener <rposen...@gmail.com> > > > Reply-To: "dev@cordova.apache.org" <dev@cordova.apache.org> > > > Date: Monday, March 28, 2016 at 10:08 PM > > > To: "dev@cordova.apache.org" <dev@cordova.apache.org> > > > Subject: Re: Does Cordova have a problem making developers happy? > > > > > > Gerday all, > > > Because of the serious nature of this thread, I have produced a 6-page > > > contribution of issues together with recommendations for fixing them in > > the > > > attachment to this email. > > > > > > Regards > > > > > > Rob Posener > > > > > > Regards > > > Rob Posener > > > 0419 012 627 > > > > > > On 19 March 2016 at 08:31, Joe Bowser <bows...@gmail.com<mailto: > > > bows...@gmail.com>> wrote: > > > I don't entirely agree with this, since usually we do respond. We > don't > > > just accept things that get thrown at us, which I think is the > > expectation. > > > > > > I think we need to make sure we come to some resolution and actually > > solve > > > the problem in a timely manner. We've had both extremes of discussing > a > > > problem to death and cowboy coding, and neither extreme works well. > > > > > > As for getting there, I have no idea. Any thoughts? > > > > > > On Fri, Mar 18, 2016, 2:23 PM Raghav Katyal <rakat...@microsoft.com > > > <mailto:rakat...@microsoft.com>> wrote: > > > > > > > I guess responding to JIRA quickly and acting on contributors' PRs > > could > > > > be candidates for improvement. > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > > From: Nikhil Khandelwal [mailto:nikhi...@microsoft.com<mailto: > > > nikhi...@microsoft.com>] > > > > Sent: Friday, March 18, 2016 11:18 AM > > > > To: dev@cordova.apache.org<mailto:dev@cordova.apache.org> > > > > Subject: Re: Does Cordova have a problem making developers happy? > > > > > > > > I have been guilty of not spending too much time on stackoverflow > > > > answering questions. It’s on my TODO list. For those who have, what > are > > > > there general themes of improvement here that will make a huge > impact? > > > > > > > > I remember Julio summarized this last year [1] and I believe we have > > made > > > > progress on a lot of these – docs, PATH setup. Though the impact of > our > > > > docs work is yet to be seen – we just did a big update in terms of > > > > organization [2]. There’s probably more to be done in terms of docs – > > > > tutorials, examples for plugin API usage, integration with other > tools > > > like > > > > gulp, browserify etc. What are other good candidates for improvement? > > > > > > > > I found it interesting that our own survey [3] in October had > somewhat > > > > high Net promoter score (NPS). > > > > > > > > [1] > > > > > > > > > > https://na01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=http%3a%2f%2fmail-archives.apache.org%2fmod_mbox%2fcordova-dev%2f201504.mbox%2f%253CetPan.552c9004.643c9869.b8b8%40Kerris-MacBook-Pro.local%253E&data=01%7c01%7crakatyal%40microsoft.com%7c1371f56d47e84d4fb7c808d34f59b0e9%7c72f988bf86f141af91ab2d7cd011db47%7c1&sdata=dPkMBS3I8mA7uqmezeLaxknf4ujYsmymcco50y9piYg%3d > > > > [2] > > > > > > > > > > https://na01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3a%2f%2fcordova.apache.org%2fannouncements%2f2016%2f03%2f03%2fdocs-improvement.html&data=01%7c01%7crakatyal%40microsoft.com%7c1371f56d47e84d4fb7c808d34f59b0e9%7c72f988bf86f141af91ab2d7cd011db47%7c1&sdata=fYJCb131SFY%2bAA0RS2cxrDyf3m74EAHSGPuhd6oR7xo%3d > > > > [3] > > > > > > > > > > https://na01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3a%2f%2fapachecordovabot.typeform.com%2freport%2fBCc5co%2fJQLG&data=01%7c01%7crakatyal%40microsoft.com%7c1371f56d47e84d4fb7c808d34f59b0e9%7c72f988bf86f141af91ab2d7cd011db47%7c1&sdata=eH8cPNyXnPD2ltm%2bKbFfLCq4ifGQeBItD5rAXbgSOhg%3d > > > > > > > > On 3/17/16, 5:55 PM, "Carlos Santana" <csantan...@gmail.com<mailto: > > > csantan...@gmail.com>> wrote: > > > > > > > > >I agree Joe > > > > > > > > > >It's easy to create a stackoverflow subscription that emails you > once > > a > > > > >day. > > > > > > > > > >I have one that covers "cordova" "worklight" "mobilefirst" > > > > > > > > > >I tried to answer what I can, but reading it daily which is not > every > > > > >day that I get something probably most every other day with a few. > > > > > > > > > >At least reading all the new questions gives me a sense on what > people > > > > >are having problems on. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >On Thu, Mar 17, 2016 at 8:46 PM Joe Bowser <bows...@gmail.com > <mailto: > > > bows...@gmail.com>> wrote: > > > > > > > > > >> BTW: The last one was a joke. But in all honesty, we should all > > > > >> spend a bit more time on Stack seeing what's going on there with > our > > > > >> respective products/distributions. > > > > >> > > > > >> On Thu, Mar 17, 2016 at 5:43 PM, Joe Bowser <bows...@gmail.com > > > <mailto:bows...@gmail.com>> wrote: > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > On Thu, Mar 17, 2016 at 5:23 PM, Ryan J. Salva > > > > >> > <rsa...@microsoft.com<mailto:rsa...@microsoft.com>> > > > > >> > wrote: > > > > >> > > > > > >> >> Keep in mind that the answers are limited to the technologies > > that > > > > >> >> Stack Overflow chooses to offer in their list of options. They > > have > > > > an "other" > > > > >> >> option with a text box, but people's answers are largely driven > > by > > > > >> >> the checkbox options. > > > > >> >> > > > > >> >> > > > > >> > So, we somehow pissed off the Stack Overflow guys??? > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > > >> >> > > > > >> >> > > > > >> >> Ryan J. Salva | Principal PM Manager Visual Studio Tools for > > > > >> >> Apache Cordova rsa...@microsoft.com<mailto: > rsa...@microsoft.com> > > > > >> >> 425 706 5270<tel:425%20706%205270> office > > > > >> >> 206 612 5079<tel:206%20612%205079> mobile > > > > >> >> > > > > >> >> -----Original Message----- > > > > >> >> From: Joe Bowser [mailto:bows...@gmail.com<mailto: > > > bows...@gmail.com>] > > > > >> >> Sent: Thursday, March 17, 2016 5:21 PM > > > > >> >> To: dev <dev@cordova.apache.org<mailto:dev@cordova.apache.org > >> > > > > >> >> Subject: Re: Does Cordova have a problem making developers > happy? > > > > >> >> > > > > >> >> On Thu, Mar 17, 2016 at 5:12 PM, Ryan J. Salva > > > > >> >> <rsa...@microsoft.com<mailto:rsa...@microsoft.com>> > > > > >> >> wrote: > > > > >> >> > > > > >> >> > As I told some of my co-workers today: > > > > >> >> > > > > > >> >> > If you read the fine print, the actual statistic is “% of > > > > >> >> > developers who are developing with the language or tech but > > have > > > > >> >> > not expressed interest in continuing to do so.” Clearly, it’s > > > > >> >> > not a good list to be on, but developer behavior also doesn’t > > > > reflect their stated intent. > > > > >> >> > NPM Stats show the number of Cordova downloads has actually > > > > >> >> > doubled since the same time last year. > > > > >> >> > > > > > >> >> > Again, I don’t think this is a good list to appear on… I’m > just > > > > >> >> > not sure what to make of it given developer behavior. > > > > >> >> > > > > > >> >> > > > > >> >> I'd rather be on that list instead of not be on any list. I'd > be > > > > >> >> more concerned with the fact that we're on the "Losers" section > > of > > > > >> >> the > > > > >> trending > > > > >> >> tech with a 7% decrease in the number of questions, which > > indicate > > > > >> >> that people either have no problems (not very likely) or are > just > > > > >> >> giving > > > > >> up. I > > > > >> >> haven't been answering questions on Stack for a while, mostly > > > > >> >> because they're using some third party framework like ionic or > > > > something else. > > > > >> >> > > > > >> >> I also find it interesting that people are hating on Cordova, > and > > > > >> >> not PhoneGap, Ionic, Taco or the other distributions. > > > > >> >> > > > > >> >> > > > > >> >> > > > > > >> >> > > > > > >> >> > Ryan J. 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