> On 23 Aug 2015, at 11:51 pm, Dennis E. Hamilton <dennis.hamil...@acm.org> 
> wrote:
> 
> Abstentions are not to be discussed.  Abstentions are abstentions.  And why 
> discuss them in private?  The [VOTE] was done here.  There is no private@ 
> business called for.  The only ballot that requires an explanation is a -1.

I was going to keep the discussion to private@, but since you prefer to have it 
in public, I’ll continue it here.

We, as a team of individuals voluntarily coming together to work on a project, 
can decide what we want to discuss. Anyone can raise a topic on a mailing list. 
Whether or not you believe a topic is appropriate is not the determining factor 
of whether it should be discussed; others may consider it important.

While votes may not be officially required from all PPMC members, I believe 
that anyone who genuinely cares about a project and (barring absence or 
illness) is able to vote on such an important matter as a first release should 
do so - particularly when they have raised issues during the pre-vote period. I 
assumed given your interest in the points you raised in pre-vote, that you had 
enough interest in the outcome to make an actual vote.

> Furthermore, I take personal exception to my abstention in the [PRE-VOTE] 
> being carried forward, effectively, against my wishes, and reported anyhow 
> when it is not applicable to this [VOTE].   That is unacceptable.  Please do 
> not do that again.

Jan very explicitly stated that your abstention (which you made on the public 
list) was *not* being carried forward, along with an explanation of the reason 
for this. Given that Jan had mentioned in the announcement that any votes 
expressed in the pre-vote period would be carried forward unless otherwise 
stated, I think this explanation was warranted.

Again this is another really pointless procedural issue, which I’m sick of 
discussing.

I’ve spent the whole weekend working on an implementation Hindley-Milner type 
inference algorithm to assist with the static verification of transformations 
between different documents. Every time I come onto the list I hope to see 
something about development and all I find is more arguing about procedures. I 
think this is actively harmful to the project and we should be focusing on 
getting stuff done, not wasting our time on trivia.

—
Dr Peter M. Kelly
pmke...@apache.org

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