Hi Ian, 

Your tool and the compliments it is receiving are interesting.

Including poi and Yegor. What do people  think?

Regards,
Dave

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> On Aug 29, 2015, at 8:53 PM, Ian C <i...@amham.net> wrote:
> 
> Hi Peter,
> 
> 
>> On Sun, Aug 30, 2015 at 1:16 AM, Peter Kelly <pmke...@apache.org> wrote:
>> Ok I just figured out the cause - it was trying to write a file to the 
>> ‘input’ directory (under the ODFExplorer directory where I had run 
>> ‘npm start’) but that directory did not exist. After I created that, I 
>> was able to upload files successfully and have them processed.
>> 
> great that you got it working. I will need to have that directory
> created, I just repeated the issue. Gosh it's annoying to mess up
> these little things.
> 
>> I love the tree widget you’ve got in the UI for navigating the element 
>> coverage - I don’t think I’ve seen something quite like this before for 
>> summarising information. The closest I can think of is DiskInventoryX for 
>> mac which shows how much data is used by various directories on your hard 
>> disk. But the idea of applying it to XML structures is really cool.
>> 
> Pleased you like the UI. I'm not a UI designer by a long shot, and
> just cobble together bits that work. Like dot for the graphs.
> 
>> I’m thinking it might be useful for us to have a web app which allows us 
>> to view the structure of individual documents like this, for inspection 
>> purposes. Once I’ve gotten Flat (my parser engine) into a state where it 
>> can output XML this should be doable, and would also help visualise the tree 
>> structure of files in non-XML formats, like Markdown.
> 
> Absolutely, having bashed the thing into life for this ODF case I want
> to try to make it more general.
> 
>> 
>> The use of a web UI based on node/angular is a good idea, as it’s a nice 
>> way of getting a UI that works in a cross platform manner, and can also be 
>> deployed on a server. This also strikes me as being relevant for the 
>> Corinthia web app. My personal preference is for Python on the server side, 
>> but only because that’s what I use in my day job - node is good also and 
>> ultimately either choice is fine and mainly depends on whoeverâHi Peter,
> 
> 
>> On Sun, Aug 30, 2015 at 1:16 AM, Peter Kelly <pmke...@apache.org> wrote:
>> Ok I just figured out the cause - it was trying to write a file to the 
>> ‘input’ directory (under the ODFExplorer directory where I had run 
>> ‘npm start’) but that directory did not exist. After I created that, I 
>> was able to upload files successfully and have them processed.
>> 
> great that you got it working. I will need to have that directory
> created, I just repeated the issue. Gosh it's annoying to mess up
> these little things.
> 
>> I love the tree widget you’ve got in the UI for navigating the element 
>> coverage - I don’t think I’ve seen something quite like this before for 
>> summarising information. The closest I can think of is DiskInventoryX for 
>> mac which shows how much data is used by various directories on your hard 
>> disk. But the idea of applying it to XML structures is really cool.
>> 
> Pleased you like the UI. I'm not a UI designer by a long shot, and
> just cobble together bits that work. Like dot for the graphs.
> 
>> I’m thinking it might be useful for us to have a web app which allows us 
>> to view the structure of individual documents like this, for inspection 
>> purposes. Once I’ve gotten Flat (my parser engine) into a state where it 
>> can output XML this should be doable, and would also help visualise the tree 
>> structure of files in non-XML formats, like Markdown.
> 
> Absolutely, having bashed the thing into life for this ODF case I want
> to try to make it more general.
> 
>> 
>> The use of a web UI based on node/angular is a good idea, as it’s a nice 
>> way of getting a UI that works in a cross platform manner, and can also be 
>> deployed on a server. This also strikes me as being relevant for the 
>> Corinthia web app. My personal preference is for Python on the server side, 
>> but only because that’s what I use in my day job - node is good also and 
>> ultimately either choice is fine and mainly depends on whoever’s implement 
>> it.
>> 
>> Regarding the graphs where you’ve used dot, I suggest having a look at 
>> some of the graph-based visualisations that d3 provides (I see you’re 
>> using d3 for some stuff already, but the XPath graph is in dot). I saw some 
>> force directed layout visualisations a colleague of mine did for a project 
>> we’re working on - I’ll have to check what he was using for that.
> 
> I did look at using d3 (which is a great tool) but couldn't quite get
> it to do what I wanted. And redrawing to filter the graphs and
> managing it in Javascript was all to hard. I reprocess the underlying
> JSON and regenerate the dot and have GraphViz regenerate the diagram.
> 
>> 
>> All up, looks good so far. I’m keen to see the code for the Java side of 
>> things when you’re ready to make that open source. I think it could help a 
>> lot with our test cases, not just ODF but OOXML, depending on how easy it is 
>> to extend. Does the code cater for (or is it adaptable to) specifying 
>> alternative schemas to check against?
> 
> Yeah, I'm getting there. And am trying to make it digestible to the
> open source world and remove all the dirty laundry that it in there
> :-)
> 
> The tool uses classed generated via Apache Velocity and the Multi
> Scheme Validation https://msv.java.net/ to get the schema into a from
> I can generate classes from.
> Which is the basis for how the ODF Toolkit generates its DOM classes.
> 
> I always intended to do the same for OOXML, but have not been able to
> get around to it.
> 
>> 
>> —
>> Dr Peter M. Kelly
>> pmke...@apache.org
>> 
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>> 
>>> On 29 Aug 2015, at 11:58 pm, Peter Kelly <pmke...@apache.org> wrote:
>>> 
>>> Thanks Ian
>>> 
>>> I’ve just downloaded & built this and ran into a problem when uploading a 
>>> document. After selecting a .odt file and pressing “submit”, the node 
>>> server exited; here’s the output I saw:
>>> 
>>> Field [note]: value: ''
>>> note
>>> Field [mode]: value: 'Singles'
>>> mode case Singles
>>> Field [depth]: value: 'all'
>>> depthcase all
>>> Filename test.odt field file1
>>> Field [submit]: value: 'Submit'
>>> process -jar,odfe.jar,-f,input/test.odt
>>> events.js:85
>>>     throw er; // Unhandled 'error' event
>>>           ^
>>> Error: ENOENT, open 'input/test.odt'
>>>   at Error (native)
>>> 
>>> —
>>> Dr Peter M. Kelly
>>> pmke...@apache.org
>>> 
>>> PGP key: http://www.kellypmk.net/pgp-key <http://www.kellypmk.net/pgp-key>
>>> (fingerprint 5435 6718 59F0 DD1F BFA0 5E46 2523 BAA1 44AE 2966)
>>> 
>>>> On 29 Aug 2015, at 1:56 pm, Ian C <i...@apache.org> wrote:
>>>> 
>>>> Hi All,
>>>> 
>>>> I have been beavering away on the ODF tool I developed and making it
>>>> open source via GitHub.
>>>> 
>>>> I still have a bit of work to do to make the command line tool open
>>>> source but the application is available.
>>>> 
>>>> What the tool is and can do is not immediately obvious so I tried to
>>>> document that see http://hammyau.github.io/ODFExplorer/
>>>> 
>>>> If you have the time check it out. It may provide a welcome distraction :-)
>>>> 
>>>> I intend to post about it on other lists too. But if you deem it
>>>> worthwhile feel free to pass it on.
>>>> 
>>>> I will also return to the round trip coding of passing ODF documents
>>>> through Corinthia.
>>>> 
>>>> Cheers,
>>>> 
>>>> Ian
>>> 
>> 
> 
> 
> 
> -- 
> Cheers,
> 
> Ian C

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