On Sun, Aug 30, 2015 at 12:04 PM, Dave Fisher <dave2w...@comcast.net> wrote:
> Hi Ian,
>
> Your tool and the compliments it is receiving are interesting.
>
> Including poi and Yegor. What do people  think?

Thanks the more the merrier.
But at the moment the tool only processes ODF documents. Extending to
OOXML is a future goal.

>
> Regards,
> Dave
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
>> On Aug 29, 2015, at 8:53 PM, Ian C <i...@amham.net> wrote:
>>
>> Hi Peter,
>>
>>
>>> On Sun, Aug 30, 2015 at 1:16 AM, Peter Kelly <pmke...@apache.org> wrote:
>>> Ok I just figured out the cause - it was trying to write a file to the 
>>> ‘input’ directory (under the ODFExplorer directory where I had run 
>>> ‘npm start’) but that directory did not exist. After I created that, I 
>>> was able to upload files successfully and have them processed.
>>>
>> great that you got it working. I will need to have that directory
>> created, I just repeated the issue. Gosh it's annoying to mess up
>> these little things.
>>
>>> I love the tree widget you’ve got in the UI for navigating the element 
>>> coverage - I don’t think I’ve seen something quite like this before for 
>>> summarising information. The closest I can think of is DiskInventoryX for 
>>> mac which shows how much data is used by various directories on your hard 
>>> disk. But the idea of applying it to XML structures is really cool.
>>>
>> Pleased you like the UI. I'm not a UI designer by a long shot, and
>> just cobble together bits that work. Like dot for the graphs.
>>
>>> I’m thinking it might be useful for us to have a web app which allows us 
>>> to view the structure of individual documents like this, for inspection 
>>> purposes. Once I’ve gotten Flat (my parser engine) into a state where it 
>>> can output XML this should be doable, and would also help visualise the 
>>> tree structure of files in non-XML formats, like Markdown.
>>
>> Absolutely, having bashed the thing into life for this ODF case I want
>> to try to make it more general.
>>
>>>
>>> The use of a web UI based on node/angular is a good idea, as it’s a nice 
>>> way of getting a UI that works in a cross platform manner, and can also be 
>>> deployed on a server. This also strikes me as being relevant for the 
>>> Corinthia web app. My personal preference is for Python on the server side, 
>>> but only because that’s what I use in my day job - node is good also and 
>>> ultimately either choice is fine and mainly depends on whoeverâHi Peter,
>>
>>
>>> On Sun, Aug 30, 2015 at 1:16 AM, Peter Kelly <pmke...@apache.org> wrote:
>>> Ok I just figured out the cause - it was trying to write a file to the 
>>> ‘input’ directory (under the ODFExplorer directory where I had run 
>>> ‘npm start’) but that directory did not exist. After I created that, I 
>>> was able to upload files successfully and have them processed.
>>>
>> great that you got it working. I will need to have that directory
>> created, I just repeated the issue. Gosh it's annoying to mess up
>> these little things.
>>
>>> I love the tree widget you’ve got in the UI for navigating the element 
>>> coverage - I don’t think I’ve seen something quite like this before for 
>>> summarising information. The closest I can think of is DiskInventoryX for 
>>> mac which shows how much data is used by various directories on your hard 
>>> disk. But the idea of applying it to XML structures is really cool.
>>>
>> Pleased you like the UI. I'm not a UI designer by a long shot, and
>> just cobble together bits that work. Like dot for the graphs.
>>
>>> I’m thinking it might be useful for us to have a web app which allows us 
>>> to view the structure of individual documents like this, for inspection 
>>> purposes. Once I’ve gotten Flat (my parser engine) into a state where it 
>>> can output XML this should be doable, and would also help visualise the 
>>> tree structure of files in non-XML formats, like Markdown.
>>
>> Absolutely, having bashed the thing into life for this ODF case I want
>> to try to make it more general.
>>
>>>
>>> The use of a web UI based on node/angular is a good idea, as it’s a nice 
>>> way of getting a UI that works in a cross platform manner, and can also be 
>>> deployed on a server. This also strikes me as being relevant for the 
>>> Corinthia web app. My personal preference is for Python on the server side, 
>>> but only because that’s what I use in my day job - node is good also and 
>>> ultimately either choice is fine and mainly depends on whoever’s 
>>> implement it.
>>>
>>> Regarding the graphs where you’ve used dot, I suggest having a look at 
>>> some of the graph-based visualisations that d3 provides (I see you’re 
>>> using d3 for some stuff already, but the XPath graph is in dot). I saw some 
>>> force directed layout visualisations a colleague of mine did for a project 
>>> we’re working on - I’ll have to check what he was using for that.
>>
>> I did look at using d3 (which is a great tool) but couldn't quite get
>> it to do what I wanted. And redrawing to filter the graphs and
>> managing it in Javascript was all to hard. I reprocess the underlying
>> JSON and regenerate the dot and have GraphViz regenerate the diagram.
>>
>>>
>>> All up, looks good so far. I’m keen to see the code for the Java side of 
>>> things when you’re ready to make that open source. I think it could help 
>>> a lot with our test cases, not just ODF but OOXML, depending on how easy it 
>>> is to extend. Does the code cater for (or is it adaptable to) specifying 
>>> alternative schemas to check against?
>>
>> Yeah, I'm getting there. And am trying to make it digestible to the
>> open source world and remove all the dirty laundry that it in there
>> :-)
>>
>> The tool uses classed generated via Apache Velocity and the Multi
>> Scheme Validation https://msv.java.net/ to get the schema into a from
>> I can generate classes from.
>> Which is the basis for how the ODF Toolkit generates its DOM classes.
>>
>> I always intended to do the same for OOXML, but have not been able to
>> get around to it.
>>
>>>
>>> —
>>> Dr Peter M. Kelly
>>> pmke...@apache.org
>>>
>>> PGP key: http://www.kellypmk.net/pgp-key <http://www.kellypmk.net/pgp-key>
>>> (fingerprint 5435 6718 59F0 DD1F BFA0 5E46 2523 BAA1 44AE 2966)
>>>
>>>> On 29 Aug 2015, at 11:58 pm, Peter Kelly <pmke...@apache.org> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> Thanks Ian
>>>>
>>>> I’ve just downloaded & built this and ran into a problem when uploading 
>>>> a document. After selecting a .odt file and pressing “submit†, the 
>>>> node server exited; here’s the output I saw:
>>>>
>>>> Field [note]: value: ''
>>>> note
>>>> Field [mode]: value: 'Singles'
>>>> mode case Singles
>>>> Field [depth]: value: 'all'
>>>> depthcase all
>>>> Filename test.odt field file1
>>>> Field [submit]: value: 'Submit'
>>>> process -jar,odfe.jar,-f,input/test.odt
>>>> events.js:85
>>>>     throw er; // Unhandled 'error' event
>>>>           ^
>>>> Error: ENOENT, open 'input/test.odt'
>>>>   at Error (native)
>>>>
>>>> —
>>>> Dr Peter M. Kelly
>>>> pmke...@apache.org
>>>>
>>>> PGP key: http://www.kellypmk.net/pgp-key <http://www.kellypmk.net/pgp-key>
>>>> (fingerprint 5435 6718 59F0 DD1F BFA0 5E46 2523 BAA1 44AE 2966)
>>>>
>>>>> On 29 Aug 2015, at 1:56 pm, Ian C <i...@apache.org> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> Hi All,
>>>>>
>>>>> I have been beavering away on the ODF tool I developed and making it
>>>>> open source via GitHub.
>>>>>
>>>>> I still have a bit of work to do to make the command line tool open
>>>>> source but the application is available.
>>>>>
>>>>> What the tool is and can do is not immediately obvious so I tried to
>>>>> document that see http://hammyau.github.io/ODFExplorer/
>>>>>
>>>>> If you have the time check it out. It may provide a welcome distraction 
>>>>> :-)
>>>>>
>>>>> I intend to post about it on other lists too. But if you deem it
>>>>> worthwhile feel free to pass it on.
>>>>>
>>>>> I will also return to the round trip coding of passing ODF documents
>>>>> through Corinthia.
>>>>>
>>>>> Cheers,
>>>>>
>>>>> Ian
>>>>
>>>
>>
>>
>>
>> --
>> Cheers,
>>
>> Ian C



-- 
Cheers,

Ian C

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