Summary of IRC Meeting in #couchdb-meeting at Wed Mar 26 19:04:20 2014: Attendees: Wohali, awenkhh, dch, Kxepal, benoitc, chewbranca
- Preface - 1.6.rc-2 - Action: dch to collate discussion from this meeting and send to ML - marketing - fauxton - merges - Action: dch to sum up and send note to dev@ - other business IRC log follows: ## Preface ## [Wed Mar 26 19:05:24 2014] <dch>: so topics today, 1.6.rc-2 marketing fauxton merges then. ## 1.6.rc-2 ## [Wed Mar 26 19:06:07 2014] <dch>: AFAICT the only blocker we are caring about is the COUCHDB-1986 [Wed Mar 26 19:06:23 2014] <dch>: https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/COUCHDB-1986 [Wed Mar 26 19:06:47 2014] <dch>: benoitc: maybe you want to comment, but atm I am reasonably happy with commiting either: [Wed Mar 26 19:07:02 2014] <dch>: - uncommenting the mochiweb default socket options in default.ini [Wed Mar 26 19:07:22 2014] <dch>: - or the hardwired -define(RECBUF_SIZE, 8192 * 4). in mochiwebâs hrl file [Wed Mar 26 19:07:25 2014] <Wohali>: oop [Wed Mar 26 19:07:50 2014] <dch>: but I donât personally understand what the underlying problem is that these changes address [Wed Mar 26 19:08:26 2014] <benoitc>: dch why not doing an alternatives, ie set the option just for the tests [Wed Mar 26 19:08:35 2014] <benoitc>: since noone complained yet in real life [Wed Mar 26 19:08:45 2014] <benoitc>: and let the ticket open [Wed Mar 26 19:08:52 2014] <benoitc>: i am pretty sure the pb is the parser [Wed Mar 26 19:09:06 2014] <benoitc>: but we can "unbreak" the test [Wed Mar 26 19:09:09 2014] <awenkhh>: benoitc and build a release? [Wed Mar 26 19:09:13 2014] <benoitc>: yes [Wed Mar 26 19:09:15 2014] <dch>: benoitc: Iâve definitely got 2 real-life people who have their replication issues resolved with this change [Wed Mar 26 19:09:36 2014] <dch>: benoitc: you mean the multi-part parser bits in replicator itself? not the stuff Nick patched recently. [Wed Mar 26 19:09:41 2014] <benoitc>: i am not really happy to have the buffer increased that way [Wed Mar 26 19:09:51 2014] <benoitc>: dch: yes [Wed Mar 26 19:10:21 2014] <benoitc>: dch: i am fine with 1 or 3 [Wed Mar 26 19:10:24 2014] <dch>: benoitc: also, but given that a reasonable number of people are installing couchdb with defaults simply to replicate nodejs registry it seems worthwhile making that experience better. [Wed Mar 26 19:10:27 2014] <benoitc>: but definitely not 2 [Wed Mar 26 19:10:47 2014] <dch>: we *could* address that with a reference NPM replication doc too. [Wed Mar 26 19:11:17 2014] <benoitc>: dch: 1 or 3 are ok for me [Wed Mar 26 19:11:31 2014] <benoitc>: if 1, then we should put a not it helps people irl [Wed Mar 26 19:11:45 2014] <benoitc>: it''s too bad we have no report of it on the ticket [Wed Mar 26 19:11:52 2014] <dch>: ok so I will reply to list with the defaults change [Wed Mar 26 19:12:06 2014] <dch>: benoitc: I will add that, only got feedback on it last night [Wed Mar 26 19:12:18 2014] <dch>: 2nd thing [Wed Mar 26 19:12:42 2014] <dch>: whatâs people opinion on cutting a new 1.6.x off master? we are almost 2 months out from when this release started [Wed Mar 26 19:13:15 2014] <awenkhh>: I have the feeling that the people who worked on the issue give there go [Wed Mar 26 19:13:19 2014] <dch>: Iâm not sure on policy aspect of this, nor if there are fauxton constraints for a new release off master, but it seems a shame to ship and then need to ship almost immediately again. [Wed Mar 26 19:13:20 2014] <awenkhh>: so I am +1 [Wed Mar 26 19:13:38 2014] <benoitc>: i didn't tracked closely the master, etoomuch ui patches. what's is fixed apart the ui? [Wed Mar 26 19:14:23 2014] <awenkhh>: we can figure that out with speaking to all these people via the ml - we should put together all related aspects and finde a cionclusion [Wed Mar 26 19:14:53 2014] <dch>: #action dch to collate discussion from this meeting and send to ML [Wed Mar 26 19:14:54 2014] <benoitc>: +1 [Wed Mar 26 19:15:11 2014] <awenkhh>: dch cool +1 [Wed Mar 26 19:15:19 2014] <awenkhh>: personal note [Wed Mar 26 19:15:22 2014] <dch>: ok, anything else for 1.6? [Wed Mar 26 19:15:40 2014] <awenkhh>: I also think we should definitely ship a version soon [Wed Mar 26 19:15:40 2014] <benoitc>: nope [Wed Mar 26 19:15:45 2014] <awenkhh>: no :) [Wed Mar 26 19:16:05 2014] <Wohali>: did chewbranca did that multi-query to a view thing into 1.6? [Wed Mar 26 19:16:15 2014] <Kxepal>: people are already asking on #couchdb why fauxton in 1.5 is broken, so any his updates in 1.6 will be very...helpful [Wed Mar 26 19:16:17 2014] <dch>: erm que? [Wed Mar 26 19:16:17 2014] <chewbranca>: Wohali: naw, it's in the bigcouch branch [Wed Mar 26 19:16:18 2014] <Wohali>: give me a sec to dig up the ticket. [Wed Mar 26 19:16:29 2014] <Wohali>: chewbranca: ah. ok, given the mrview stuff i guess it's nontrivial to pull into 1.6? [Wed Mar 26 19:16:29 2014] <dch>: ok last call for 1.6.stuff â¦. [Wed Mar 26 19:16:36 2014] <Wohali>: I had a bunch of people hounding me for that. [Wed Mar 26 19:16:45 2014] <Wohali>: you're relying on fabric i presume so n/m [Wed Mar 26 19:17:05 2014] <dch>: done! [Wed Mar 26 19:17:05 2014] <chewbranca>: Wohali: it could be back ported, it's not too complicated and it works on single node but might be outside the scope of 1.6 [Wed Mar 26 19:17:07 2014] <chewbranca>: when is 1.6 going? [Wed Mar 26 19:17:09 2014] <benoitc>: Kxepal: we should add a beta banner on it. we removed it from rcouch for now. [Wed Mar 26 19:17:14 2014] <benoitc>: on fauxton i mean [Wed Mar 26 19:17:25 2014] <benoitc>: so people are constantly aware this is in beta [Wed Mar 26 19:17:29 2014] <dch>: people letâs move along, we are drifting topic here... ## marketing ## [Wed Mar 26 19:17:34 2014] <benoitc>: or smth like it [Wed Mar 26 19:17:45 2014] <dch>: awenkhh: you have the floor/keyboard [Wed Mar 26 19:18:10 2014] <awenkhh>: ok - we have a new team member - it#s Lena from Berlin [Wed Mar 26 19:18:29 2014] <awenkhh>: she will help with weekly news [Wed Mar 26 19:18:29 2014] <dch>: \o/ welcome Lena [Wed Mar 26 19:18:45 2014] <dch>: reminder for me to dig out my stash of 10000 couch links [Wed Mar 26 19:18:48 2014] <dch>: yes [Wed Mar 26 19:18:55 2014] <awenkhh>: she is doing that already for hoodie - so yeah - awesome [Wed Mar 26 19:18:57 2014] <awenkhh>: :) [Wed Mar 26 19:19:01 2014] <Kxepal>: dch: I'll ping you about...again (; [Wed Mar 26 19:19:11 2014] <awenkhh>: dch +1 [Wed Mar 26 19:19:14 2014] <awenkhh>: :) [Wed Mar 26 19:19:45 2014] <dch>: ok I think we are done for marketing. [Wed Mar 26 19:19:52 2014] <awenkhh>: 1 sec [Wed Mar 26 19:21:52 2014] <awenkhh>: ok that's it for marketing atm ## fauxton ## [Wed Mar 26 19:22:43 2014] <dch>: AFAICT deathbear and garren have been extremely busy following up all the tickets from Kxepal [Wed Mar 26 19:22:50 2014] <dch>: they are doing an *amazing* job [Wed Mar 26 19:22:57 2014] <awenkhh>: yes - they are aweseom [Wed Mar 26 19:23:10 2014] <awenkhh>: and Robert jumped in also with great fixes and contributions [Wed Mar 26 19:23:44 2014] <awenkhh>: I ask myself which status Fauxton has now [Wed Mar 26 19:23:45 2014] <dch>: it looks great and is really easy to use, the JSON editor for example is fantastic [Wed Mar 26 19:23:48 2014] <awenkhh>: for 1.6 ... [Wed Mar 26 19:24:00 2014] <awenkhh>: can it already remove Futon? [Wed Mar 26 19:24:05 2014] <dch>: last I heard from deathbear is that some important things need more work, so not yet [Wed Mar 26 19:24:10 2014] <dch>: :-( [Wed Mar 26 19:24:17 2014] <awenkhh>: ok [Wed Mar 26 19:24:24 2014] <dch>: next up, merges [Wed Mar 26 19:24:26 2014] <Wohali>: replication for one [Wed Mar 26 19:24:29 2014] <Wohali>: (fauxton) [Wed Mar 26 19:24:31 2014] <dch>: yup [Wed Mar 26 19:24:33 2014] <awenkhh>: tahts fine - we should mark it as beta then like benoitc suggested [Wed Mar 26 19:24:44 2014] <awenkhh>: ok ## merges ## [Wed Mar 26 19:25:22 2014] <dch>: to set the scene mmm a few weeks ago benoitc I think said the rcouch work is from his perspective ready to merge, am I right? [Wed Mar 26 19:25:30 2014] <dch>: and thereâs been a lot of activity on bigcouch related work [Wed Mar 26 19:25:32 2014] <benoitc>: yes [Wed Mar 26 19:25:40 2014] <benoitc>: it's landed since 5 weeks [Wed Mar 26 19:25:44 2014] <benoitc>: and tests pass [Wed Mar 26 19:26:02 2014] <benoitc>: https://travis-ci.org/refuge/rcouch [Wed Mar 26 19:26:12 2014] <dch>: it seems we are near an inflection point now. [Wed Mar 26 19:26:27 2014] <dch>: we could pull in rcouch, assume this is a â2.0 sort of release" [Wed Mar 26 19:26:31 2014] <chewbranca>: I'm wrapping up the fabric + couch_mrview integration, should have that sorted this week [Wed Mar 26 19:26:37 2014] <awenkhh>: benoitc so when would you merge it for a release? [Wed Mar 26 19:26:48 2014] <awenkhh>: dch ah .. ok [Wed Mar 26 19:26:52 2014] <dch>: chewbranca: do you have any feel for the bigcouch work? [Wed Mar 26 19:27:00 2014] <dch>: are we at a similar point there? [Wed Mar 26 19:27:07 2014] <benoitc>: it all depends on bigcouch and what we do [Wed Mar 26 19:27:09 2014] <dch>: and pragmatically where would we go from that point on? [Wed Mar 26 19:27:13 2014] <chewbranca>: I think it's better to merge bigcouch and rcouch at the same time and make one release, although rnewson and davisp would have a better idea there [Wed Mar 26 19:27:17 2014] <awenkhh>: benoitc ok [Wed Mar 26 19:27:20 2014] <benoitc>: dch: davisp mentionned a lot of points not adressed yet [Wed Mar 26 19:27:58 2014] <awenkhh>: I understood that it's not possible yet when the bigcouch merge is done [Wed Mar 26 19:28:07 2014] <awenkhh>: *possible to say [Wed Mar 26 19:28:37 2014] <benoitc>: it would be me i would merge it now and cut a release then add the rest [Wed Mar 26 19:28:57 2014] <benoitc>: but what we decided is to merge both in 1 release [Wed Mar 26 19:29:07 2014] <dch>: so I can do the same as for 1.6, summarise the situation and post to ML for where we go. [Wed Mar 26 19:29:20 2014] <awenkhh>: +1 on that [Wed Mar 26 19:29:24 2014] <benoitc>: the merge of rcouch is done, but nobody except me reviewed it yet [Wed Mar 26 19:29:28 2014] <dch>: progress is important, letâs make sure in this case we have a reaonable understanding of the implications [Wed Mar 26 19:29:39 2014] <benoitc>: ok [Wed Mar 26 19:29:56 2014] <awenkhh>: I would love to see a summary ... it's a bit hidden for me - status wise [Wed Mar 26 19:29:57 2014] <benoitc>: i would like to insist on the need of reviews [Wed Mar 26 19:29:58 2014] <dch>: benoitc: I will start reviewing it this week. [Wed Mar 26 19:30:07 2014] <dch>: +1 for reviews [Wed Mar 26 19:30:07 2014] <chewbranca>: yeah let's get this out to the mailing list, not having davisp or rnewson present doesn't help [Wed Mar 26 19:30:11 2014] <benoitc>: also would be cool to add it to the ci [Wed Mar 26 19:30:12 2014] <awenkhh>: benoitc how can I help? [Wed Mar 26 19:30:18 2014] <dch>: chewbranca: you poke those sleeping dogs ;-) [Wed Mar 26 19:30:27 2014] <benoitc>: awenkhh: testing anyting that came in your mind [Wed Mar 26 19:30:28 2014] <awenkhh>: benoitc btw I tested the branch :) [Wed Mar 26 19:30:33 2014] <chewbranca>: dch: yeah trying ;-) [Wed Mar 26 19:30:43 2014] <awenkhh>: benoitc ok I will do ! [Wed Mar 26 19:30:49 2014] <dch>: ok so for merges we are done I think, yes? [Wed Mar 26 19:31:04 2014] <benoitc>: mmm i will make proper request [Wed Mar 26 19:31:17 2014] <dch>: #action dch to sum up and send note to dev@ [Wed Mar 26 19:31:18 2014] <benoitc>: but it's about time to have both bigcouch and rcouch branch to the ci [Wed Mar 26 19:31:26 2014] <benoitc>: and the intermediate one once it's up [Wed Mar 26 19:32:15 2014] <awenkhh>: maybe there is a need to rethink the original idea to have both merges in one release? [Wed Mar 26 19:32:43 2014] <dch>: awenkhh: I donât think there was ever a plan to do that, but we wanted to bring both branches to aaah [Wed Mar 26 19:33:06 2014] <dch>: to a common baseline, around some arbitrary point end of last year IIRC. details available somewhere. [Wed Mar 26 19:33:33 2014] <awenkhh>: hm ... [Wed Mar 26 19:34:05 2014] <awenkhh>: not sure what is the best way here - maybe it would be good to discuss this [Wed Mar 26 19:34:12 2014] <benoitc>: dch: if you remmeber this graph at the vienna meetup [Wed Mar 26 19:34:16 2014] <benoitc>: it was the plan [Wed Mar 26 19:34:16 2014] <awenkhh>: point ... but not now and here [Wed Mar 26 19:34:21 2014] <dch>: benoitc: I do, yes [Wed Mar 26 19:34:22 2014] <benoitc>: with intermediate milestones [Wed Mar 26 19:34:36 2014] <dch>: awenkhh: yes, we should cover this on the ML. [Wed Mar 26 19:34:41 2014] <benoitc>: there is a ticket that summarise that [Wed Mar 26 19:34:47 2014] <benoitc>: anyway i have to go [Wed Mar 26 19:34:49 2014] <awenkhh>: dch great! ## other business ## [Wed Mar 26 19:35:11 2014] <dch>: last chance to chip in before we close up [Wed Mar 26 19:35:14 2014] <Wohali>: my cat says: meow. [Wed Mar 26 19:35:36 2014] <dch>: ACTION says miaow to Wohaliâs cat [Wed Mar 26 19:35:50 2014] <dch>: ok thanks everybody, letâs call that a night/morning. [Wed Mar 26 19:35:51 2014] <dch>: tyvm [Wed Mar 26 19:36:05 2014] <awenkhh>: thanks Dave for moderating :) [Wed Mar 26 19:36:08 2014] <dch>: ASFBot: meeting end Meeting ended at Wed Mar 26 19:36:08 2014
