Thanks Jan! Great post. On 16 April 2014 22:36, Jan Lehnardt <[email protected]> wrote: > > On 16 Apr 2014, at 21:52 , ASF IRC Bot <[email protected]> wrote: > >> Summary of IRC Meeting in #couchdb-meeting at Wed Apr 16 19:02:33 2014: >> >> Attendees: Wohali, nslater, awenkhh, vmx, benoitc, kzx, jan____, Humbedooh, >> chewbranca, rnewson >> >> - Preface >> - bigcouch merge >> - Info: work on the bigcouch merge has started again and will make good >> progress >> - rcouch merge >> - Action: rnewson to bring up windows support on dev@ >> - Action: jan____ to look at producing rcouch merge request for help blog >> post > > Done, see other thread. > > Best > Jan > -- > >> - advocat hub >> - 1.6.0 release >> - Action: pringles for everyone (not really) >> - COUCHDB-1986 >> - weekly new >> >> >> IRC log follows: >> >> ## Preface ## >> [Wed Apr 16 19:03:17 2014] <Humbedooh>: aah >> [Wed Apr 16 19:03:21 2014] <Humbedooh>: ASFBot: karma add awenkhh 3 >> [Wed Apr 16 19:06:24 2014] <awenkhh>: welcome everybody >> [Wed Apr 16 19:06:34 2014] <nslater>: ACTION feels welcomed >> [Wed Apr 16 19:06:38 2014] <awenkhh>: we have the following topics for today >> [Wed Apr 16 19:07:20 2014] <awenkhh>: rcouch & bigcouch merge, COUCHDB-1986, >> 1.6 release >> [Wed Apr 16 19:07:31 2014] <nslater>: please also add: advocate hub >> ## bigcouch merge ## >> [Wed Apr 16 19:08:19 2014] <awenkhh>: rnewson would be cool if you go ahead >> with it >> [Wed Apr 16 19:08:22 2014] <rnewson>: my only note on the bigcouch merge is >> that I (and others soon I think) have restarted work on our branch >> [Wed Apr 16 19:08:46 2014] <nslater>: do we have any idea about timelines? >> [Wed Apr 16 19:08:50 2014] <rnewson>: I know chewbranca is also finishing up >> his PR's for the mrview work after my initial review found some problems >> [Wed Apr 16 19:09:40 2014] <chewbranca>: yeah that should be sorted out this >> week and we can continue the review >> [Wed Apr 16 19:09:41 2014] <rnewson>: nslater: the merge is strategically >> important for Cloudant, more so than it was before we started, so expect to >> see sustained effort as we ramp back up again >> [Wed Apr 16 19:09:47 2014] <nslater>: great news >> [Wed Apr 16 19:10:04 2014] <awenkhh>: rnewson sounds great! >> [Wed Apr 16 19:10:48 2014] <awenkhh>: any additions to the topic? >> [Wed Apr 16 19:12:02 2014] <awenkhh>: #info work on the bigcouch merge has >> started again and will make good progress >> ## rcouch merge ## >> [Wed Apr 16 19:13:17 2014] <Wohali>: Andy and I have started reviewing the >> code in its current state on the branch >> [Wed Apr 16 19:13:18 2014] <awenkhh>: Wohali you started reviewing >> https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/COUCHDB-1994 >> [Wed Apr 16 19:13:21 2014] <nslater>: can someone assist benoit please in >> getting the word out that we need more testing >> [Wed Apr 16 19:13:39 2014] <nslater>: ideally, i'd like a blog post, and i >> can handle sustained promotion of that over a multi-week period >> [Wed Apr 16 19:13:42 2014] <Wohali>: I've identified a number of problems, >> specially broken Windows builds, and am addressing directly. I should have a >> PR this week >> [Wed Apr 16 19:13:56 2014] <awenkhh>: nslater yes and the a blog post as you >> have suggested would be great >> [Wed Apr 16 19:14:18 2014] <Wohali>: The good news is that we should be able >> to simplify our build process a lot, especially if builders pull pre-built >> Erlang and ICU binaries from upstream. >> [Wed Apr 16 19:14:29 2014] <nslater>: Wohali: great news >> [Wed Apr 16 19:14:30 2014] <Wohali>: The bad news is that it's a lot of >> Makefile and rebar rework ;) >> [Wed Apr 16 19:14:41 2014] <Wohali>: AH well, this is what you get when you >> abandon autotools ;) >> [Wed Apr 16 19:14:42 2014] <nslater>: Wohali: we're planning to drop all of >> the makefile stuff aren't we? >> [Wed Apr 16 19:14:57 2014] <jan____>: maybe as a first step we mention it in >> the weekly? >> [Wed Apr 16 19:15:01 2014] <jan____>: I can ping lena >> [Wed Apr 16 19:15:06 2014] <awenkhh>: jan____ +1 >> [Wed Apr 16 19:15:09 2014] <Wohali>: nslater: There is still a top-level >> makefile, and rcouch itself still uses makefiles to build ICU and >> Spidermonkey, naturally. >> [Wed Apr 16 19:15:09 2014] <nslater>: that's a good first step >> [Wed Apr 16 19:15:24 2014] <nslater>: but i'd still like that blog post if >> someone wants to step forward for that >> [Wed Apr 16 19:15:30 2014] <nslater>: Wohali: gotcha >> [Wed Apr 16 19:15:46 2014] <rnewson>: how much of that makefile work is >> redundant or would need redoing given the bigcouch build scripts? >> [Wed Apr 16 19:15:47 2014] <Wohali>: But yes, for instance, it means having >> a build.cmd in addition to a build.sh for ICU (though I think the best >> answer is to punt on compiling ICU for Windows and instruct potential >> builders to just use upstream binaries) >> [Wed Apr 16 19:15:53 2014] <jan____>: nslater: do you have a TOC in mind for >> said blog post? >> [Wed Apr 16 19:16:30 2014] <nslater>: jan____: nope. i'm not familiar enough >> with the topic. the blog post should ideally provide a brief description of >> what we're trying to do, who it is relevant for, and steps that indicate how >> to test/help out >> [Wed Apr 16 19:16:44 2014] <Wohali>: rnewson: I need to look again, but I >> think not a hwole lot...at the very least it's building experience (in my >> head if nowhere else) on how to get this build done with the MSVC toolchain, >> and do our best to avoid relying on shell scripts / shellisms >> [Wed Apr 16 19:17:02 2014] <rnewson>: ok >> [Wed Apr 16 19:17:04 2014] <jan____>: that's what I meant, thanks! I'll see >> if I can doodle something up >> [Wed Apr 16 19:17:08 2014] <nslater>: ah heh >> [Wed Apr 16 19:17:10 2014] <awenkhh>: jan____ scanning the mail archive with >> search for rcouch + status will bring good results >> [Wed Apr 16 19:17:23 2014] <rnewson>: We should raise Windows as a supported >> platform as a topic >> [Wed Apr 16 19:17:24 2014] <jan____>: awenkhh: thanks! >> [Wed Apr 16 19:17:32 2014] <rnewson>: it seems unwise to encourage it given >> how shitty it is in practice. >> [Wed Apr 16 19:17:56 2014] <nslater>: rnewson: classic dogfooding no? get >> people using it, while it's shitty, and you get patches to make it less >> shitty >> [Wed Apr 16 19:18:04 2014] <jan____>: rnewson: can you clarify, I'm unsure I >> get your point >> [Wed Apr 16 19:18:10 2014] <nslater>: as long as we indicate the status >> [Wed Apr 16 19:18:39 2014] <kzx>: on the building topic, rpms and deb >> packages (preferable self-contained with erlang releases) would be awesome >> [Wed Apr 16 19:18:43 2014] <Wohali>: I think rnewson is suggesting dropping >> support entirely >> [Wed Apr 16 19:18:50 2014] <rnewson>: I am. >> [Wed Apr 16 19:19:07 2014] <nslater>: i think i need more justification than >> that than "our support isn't great right now" >> [Wed Apr 16 19:19:20 2014] <rnewson>: but I'm really saying we should >> discuss it. >> [Wed Apr 16 19:19:24 2014] <nslater>: especially if we have people who are >> working on it >> [Wed Apr 16 19:19:30 2014] <nslater>: two, i believe, right now >> [Wed Apr 16 19:19:33 2014] <Wohali>: let's add that ot the end of the >> meeting agenda then? >> [Wed Apr 16 19:19:35 2014] <Wohali>: three >> [Wed Apr 16 19:19:45 2014] <rnewson>: I think that we can't support it well, >> it doesn't work well, and requires a small subset of our team to even get it >> to build, as good enough reasons to ditch it. >> [Wed Apr 16 19:19:51 2014] <Wohali>: otherwise, rcouch review continues apace >> [Wed Apr 16 19:19:59 2014] <jan____>: aye, got it. Sounds like nice an >> healthy epic thread for dev@ :) >> [Wed Apr 16 19:20:11 2014] <nslater>: agreed >> [Wed Apr 16 19:20:14 2014] <nslater>: let's bump this >> [Wed Apr 16 19:20:16 2014] <chewbranca>: Wohali and dch are the only >> developers using it, correct? >> [Wed Apr 16 19:20:20 2014] <jan____>: thanks for clarifying Wohali & rnewson >> [Wed Apr 16 19:20:41 2014] <nslater>: chewbranca: we'd need a comprehensive >> survey to determine that for sure >> [Wed Apr 16 19:20:53 2014] <nslater>: which is next to impossible to get, of >> course >> [Wed Apr 16 19:20:55 2014] <Wohali>: chewbranca: incorrect >> [Wed Apr 16 19:21:15 2014] <nslater>: we need an owner. who's going to bring >> this up on dev? >> [Wed Apr 16 19:21:17 2014] <Wohali>: chewbranca: me, dch and a third are the >> only *committers* working on it but there are other consumers. We can >> probably get a count of the # of downloads fomr the website, too. >> [Wed Apr 16 19:21:24 2014] <Wohali>: rnewson should post it since it's his >> motion >> [Wed Apr 16 19:21:38 2014] <nslater>: #action rnewson to bring up windows >> support on dev@ >> [Wed Apr 16 19:21:57 2014] <vmx>: i know at least of one project actually >> using couchdb on windows (they bundle it) >> [Wed Apr 16 19:22:16 2014] <nslater>: #action jan____ to look at producing >> rcouch merge request for help blog post >> [Wed Apr 16 19:22:47 2014] <Wohali>: 15:18 < Humbedooh> [off] I'm going bike >> riding for a while, if your cloak gets updated, awenkhh, let nslater or >> jan____ close the meeting >> ## advocat hub ## >> [Wed Apr 16 19:23:34 2014] <nslater>: heh... >> [Wed Apr 16 19:23:43 2014] <awenkhh>: nslater your turn :) >> [Wed Apr 16 19:23:53 2014] <vmx>: sorry for being slow, that's the project >> that uses couchdb on windows: https://github.com/omniscale/gbi-client >> [Wed Apr 16 19:24:43 2014] <nslater>: okay, so, i am currently going through >> the onboarding process with my account manager. i am attending various >> webinars, and what have you. wearing my suit and tie while doing so, of >> course >> [Wed Apr 16 19:25:31 2014] <nslater>: my next call is wednesday next week. >> wont be finished by then. but making good progress. i am yet to create any >> of our initial challenges. and yet to devise our initial rewards >> [Wed Apr 16 19:25:47 2014] <nslater>: once i have a basic setup going, i'll >> be looking to invite admins from the marketing@ list >> [Wed Apr 16 19:26:00 2014] <nslater>: and am happy to do calls with people >> to bring them up to speed, or whatever is needed >> [Wed Apr 16 19:26:04 2014] <awenkhh>: nslater ok so for now it's your party? >> do you need help? >> [Wed Apr 16 19:26:08 2014] <nslater>: and am documenting resources, etc, o >> the wiki >> [Wed Apr 16 19:26:19 2014] <nslater>: awenkhh: nope. just providing a status >> report >> [Wed Apr 16 19:26:26 2014] <awenkhh>: nslater ok >> [Wed Apr 16 19:26:44 2014] <nslater>: i'm actually doing so well in the >> influitive advocate hub (quite meta) that i almost have enough points to >> exchange for an ipad. hah >> [Wed Apr 16 19:26:55 2014] <awenkhh>: nslater thanks a lot for working on >> this topic !!! >> [Wed Apr 16 19:27:05 2014] <nslater>: i'll be reaching out to marketing@ >> when i need to invite admins. the more the merrier >> [Wed Apr 16 19:27:23 2014] <nslater>: we need to have a think about what >> sort of challenges we want to do, and what sorts of rewards to offer >> [Wed Apr 16 19:27:29 2014] <nslater>: and also, how those rewards are going >> to be funded >> [Wed Apr 16 19:27:35 2014] <nslater>: but those are all for another time >> [Wed Apr 16 19:27:39 2014] <nslater>: end of update >> [Wed Apr 16 19:27:54 2014] <jan____>: nslater: thanks! >> [Wed Apr 16 19:27:55 2014] <awenkhh>: I am really curious how that will fit >> to our needs and what we will get :) >> [Wed Apr 16 19:28:09 2014] <nslater>: first thing you will notice: >> [Wed Apr 16 19:28:33 2014] <nslater>: all those times i am sharing links >> asking people to upvote, and rt, and whatever. i will be replacing them with >> a single link to the advocate hub, and an invitation to sign up and help us >> advocate couchdb >> [Wed Apr 16 19:28:50 2014] <nslater>: the individual invitations to share >> things will be moved to challenges, and people can earn points for doing so >> [Wed Apr 16 19:29:04 2014] <nslater>: my account manager has been showing me >> how to run an open hub like this >> [Wed Apr 16 19:29:12 2014] <nslater>: (a lot of hubs are invite only) >> [Wed Apr 16 19:29:26 2014] <awenkhh>: are there visible challenges already? >> [Wed Apr 16 19:29:29 2014] <nslater>: nope >> [Wed Apr 16 19:29:32 2014] <awenkhh>: ok >> ## 1.6.0 release ## >> [Wed Apr 16 19:31:28 2014] <Humbedooh>: ASFBot: karma add awenkhh 3 >> [Wed Apr 16 19:32:25 2014] <Wohali>: #action pringles for everyone (not >> really) >> [Wed Apr 16 19:32:34 2014] <jan____>: 1.6.x ci is all green: >> http://ci.couchdb.org:8888/view/1.6.x/ >> [Wed Apr 16 19:33:12 2014] <awenkhh>: I tested the rc2 Dirkjan made but >> there have been issues >> [Wed Apr 16 19:33:42 2014] <awenkhh>: so we stopped it and a rc3 will come >> soon I think >> [Wed Apr 16 19:33:50 2014] <awenkhh>: jan____ yeah thanks on that ! >> [Wed Apr 16 19:33:59 2014] <jan____>: awenkhh: the rc2 vote has been >> aborted, Kxepal IIRC has fixed the remaining issues last night >> [Wed Apr 16 19:34:10 2014] <awenkhh>: jan____ yes >> [Wed Apr 16 19:34:31 2014] <awenkhh>: that's what I meant that rc3 will come >> soon >> [Wed Apr 16 19:34:35 2014] <awenkhh>: and then ..... >> [Wed Apr 16 19:34:48 2014] <awenkhh>: we get 1.6.0 finally on the street ! >> ## COUCHDB-1986 ## >> [Wed Apr 16 19:42:52 2014] <benoitc>: so will make a quick update on it >> since most of the recent work has been done by kxepal >> [Wed Apr 16 19:43:11 2014] <benoitc>: we are investigating the issue in 2 >> ways >> [Wed Apr 16 19:44:01 2014] <benoitc>: 1. seeing if it's a network issue. >> which i doubt. except if we have a bug in erlang >> [Wed Apr 16 19:44:09 2014] <benoitc>: not sure if r14 has been tested >> [Wed Apr 16 19:45:07 2014] <benoitc>: 2. the other thing we are checking is >> a more deeper issue somewhere in the code, and kxepal has posted recently >> some profiling I didn't have the time to read >> [Wed Apr 16 19:45:11 2014] <benoitc>: yet >> [Wed Apr 16 19:45:46 2014] <benoitc>: the current fix seems to mitigate the >> issue, though having it as a default is not usual >> [Wed Apr 16 19:46:07 2014] <benoitc>: i will update the ticket soon with an >> updated status >> [Wed Apr 16 19:46:48 2014] <awenkhh>: ok thanks a lot for the update benoitc >> ## weekly new ## >> [Wed Apr 16 19:48:00 2014] <awenkhh>: the weekly news have been well received >> [Wed Apr 16 19:48:16 2014] <awenkhh>: special thanks to Lena again :) >> [Wed Apr 16 19:48:33 2014] <jan____>: +1 >> [Wed Apr 16 19:49:08 2014] <awenkhh>: question: do we have enough input for >> the news or shall we ask the users again more directly ? >> [Wed Apr 16 19:50:27 2014] <awenkhh>: well I think then we just keep on >> going with the wwekly news >> [Wed Apr 16 19:50:45 2014] <awenkhh>: If there are no other topics or >> statements I would end the meeting >> [Wed Apr 16 19:51:25 2014] <awenkhh>: thanks everybody for attending and >> have a nice evening :) >> [Wed Apr 16 19:51:40 2014] <jan____>: thanks all! >> [Wed Apr 16 19:51:48 2014] <awenkhh>: ASFBot: meeting end >> >> >> Meeting ended at Wed Apr 16 19:51:48 2014 >
-- Noah Slater https://twitter.com/nslater
