If nobody objects, I'm going to assume consensus that "dedicating" a release to an individual is okay if it takes the form of a footnote.
On 28 October 2014 17:21, Noah Slater <[email protected]> wrote: > (Re-copying dev@ here too.) > > Nope. Nobody is donating anything. This would be a reward that CouchDB > advocates can redeem in exchange for advocating CouchDB. (There's a > quick refresher in my first email, but I'm happy to provide more > info.) > > My goal is to let a highly productive advocate have a bit of "power" > over something. This ties into a theory about what motivates different > people. Some people like recognition, some people just like free > stuff, some people like exclusive access to things, and some people > like being granted power. > > The first three are relatively easy, but the power thing is hard to do > in a community where anybody can make a decision. > > The only things I can think of so far are: > > - "Naming" a weekly news edition (just a bit of fun, i.e. "aka the X edition") > - Having a release dedicated to you (more of a recognition reward, really > - Naming something inside the AdvocateHub (like a challenge) > > On 28 October 2014 01:37, Joan Touzet <[email protected]> wrote: >> I don't understand, are we accepting donations and letting people name >> releases? What's the point of a "name"? Don't get me wrong, I love the >> Toy Story release names for Debian.... >> >> Counter-counter-proposal 1: >> >> If we want to use this to raise awareness... >> >> Do what Vim does. If people want to donate, and don't feel like >> donating to the ASF, they can donate to the official CouchDB charity. >> That could be something thematic like the Furniture Bank of America, >> or something that we all feel passionate about TBD. >> >> Counter-counter-proposal 2: >> >> Yearly thank-yous to people that help, a sort of "awards" thing. >> No need to tie it to a (possibly irregular) release schedule. >> >> -Joan >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "Noah Slater" <[email protected]> >> To: [email protected] >> Cc: "Joan Touzet" <[email protected]> >> Sent: Monday, October 27, 2014 6:01:06 PM >> Subject: Re: [PROPOSAL] Naming releases >> >> Seems like consensus is that this is a bad idea--as formulated. >> >> How about softening the proposal? >> >> Counter-proposal A: >> >> - Tweets, social media posts, changelog, etc. all use the number *only* >> - There is a single sentence in the release announcement email and >> blog post to the effect of "aka the X release" >> >> Counter-proposal B: >> >> - Rephrase it slightly so that we're "dedicating" the release to >> someone as a thank you >> >> Only problem with counter-proposal B is that (while it might be a good >> idea) it puts it into the "access" category. We're giving someone >> exclusive access to our platform as a thank you. >> >> Does anyone have any ideas for rewards that fall into the "power" >> category, that we can reasonably offer, without compromising the >> integrity of the project? >> >> We could let people "name" weekly news posts, I suppose. "aka the X >> update". Heh. Perhaps that's less risky. >> >> >> On 27 October 2014 21:55, Sebastian Rothbucher >> <[email protected]> wrote: >>> I'd KISS also - and stick with numbers only, so -0.5 as well >>> >>> On Mon, Oct 27, 2014 at 9:41 PM, Joan Touzet <[email protected]> wrote: >>> >>>> -0.5 for all the reasons previously outlined. >>>> >>>> ----- Original Message ----- >>>> From: "Paul Davis" <[email protected]> >>>> To: [email protected], [email protected] >>>> Cc: [email protected] >>>> Sent: Monday, October 27, 2014 3:39:55 PM >>>> Subject: Re: [PROPOSAL] Naming releases >>>> >>>> I'm a bit on the -1 side of things as well. Having two ways to refer >>>> to a release has always annoyed me with projects like Debian/Ubuntu. >>>> Granted they tend to use them a lot more interchangeably than Noah is >>>> suggesting, though I do wonder if it'd still lead to confusion. >>>> >>>> I think for the particular current case I wonder if we can't think of >>>> other perk things for the category that Noah is trying to fill. Though >>>> I have to say I can't think of anything off the top of my head. >>>> >>>> On Mon, Oct 27, 2014 at 2:30 PM, Andy Wenk <[email protected]> wrote: >>>> > I have a bit of a feeling, that the proposal is a bit misunderstood. Noah >>>> > has written: >>>> > >>>> > "We'd mention the name in the release announcement and >>>> > in the changelog. But otherwise, we'd continue to talk about releases >>>> > using the release number." >>>> > >>>> > So we use the name for a CouchDB release solely for marketing activities. >>>> > We stay with the release numbers. So the number is the important part. >>>> With >>>> > Mac OS X and Ubuntu, the name is the important part and the number is >>>> ... a >>>> > number. >>>> > >>>> > So I don't see any problems with naming a release if we keep the release >>>> > number as the most important part. >>>> > >>>> > Cheers >>>> > >>>> > Andy >>>> > >>>> > On 27 October 2014 20:18, Klaus Trainer <[email protected]> wrote: >>>> > >>>> >> I agree that it can be confusing. Ubuntu is doing that, and even though >>>> >> I've been using it for almost a decade now (and thus follow its release >>>> >> cycles pretty closely), I'm still getting confused about their release >>>> >> names from time to time. Please make sure that our project won't run >>>> >> the risk of creating such unnecessary confusion. >>>> >> >>>> >> Thanks, >>>> >> Klaus >>>> >> >>>> >> >>>> >> On 27.10.2014 19:31, Robert Samuel Newson wrote: >>>> >> > Also not a fan, its confusing and there’s an effort involved in coming >>>> >> up with a name, an artificial impediment to release cycles, and we have >>>> >> enough real ones. >>>> >> > >>>> >> > B. >>>> >> > >>>> >> > >>>> >> >> On 27 Oct 2014, at 16:45, Jan Lehnardt <[email protected]> wrote: >>>> >> >> >>>> >> >> I’m not a fan, but I won’t be in the way of this. >>>> >> >> >>>> >> >> Best >>>> >> >> Jan >>>> >> >> -- >>>> >> >> >>>> >> >>> On 27 Oct 2014, at 14:49 , Noah Slater <[email protected]> wrote: >>>> >> >>> >>>> >> >>> Hi folks, >>>> >> >>> >>>> >> >>> SUMMARY >>>> >> >>> >>>> >> >>> I'm currently working on the rewards for the CouchDB AdvocateHub. >>>> (See >>>> >> >>> bottom of this email for a refresher.) >>>> >> >>> >>>> >> >>> One of the rewards I'd like to offer is the ability to "name" a >>>> >> >>> CouchDB release. We'd mention the name in the release announcement >>>> and >>>> >> >>> in the changelog. But otherwise, we'd continue to talk about >>>> releases >>>> >> >>> using the release number. >>>> >> >>> >>>> >> >>> Primarily, I see it as a bit of fun. And a great way to reward >>>> >> advocates. >>>> >> >>> >>>> >> >>> I'm cross-posting this to dev and marketing because it's both a >>>> >> >>> release management proposal as well as a marketing proposal. >>>> >> >>> >>>> >> >>> DETAILS >>>> >> >>> >>>> >> >>> The way I see it working: >>>> >> >>> >>>> >> >>> - Advocate redeems the "name a release" reward, and picks a name >>>> >> >>> - The name is vetted by the PMC (for brand protection) and put on a >>>> >> queue >>>> >> >>> - The next release picks the oldest name on the queue >>>> >> >>> >>>> >> >>> I'd probably actually want to separate this into three rewards: >>>> >> >>> >>>> >> >>> - Name a bugfix release >>>> >> >>> - Name a minor release >>>> >> >>> - Name a major release >>>> >> >>> >>>> >> >>> Each one would be require more points than the last. >>>> >> >>> >>>> >> >>> REFRESHER >>>> >> >>> >>>> >> >>> Our AdvocateHub is a professional tool that has been donated to us >>>> >> >>> that will allow us to mobilise fans of CouchDB to talk about, >>>> promote, >>>> >> >>> and advocate CouchDB to on social media, and to their network. For a >>>> >> >>> project like ours, with limited to no financial budget for >>>> traditional >>>> >> >>> marketing, this is a huge opportunity for us. >>>> >> >>> >>>> >> >>> The AdvocateHub has two important concepts (for the purposes of this >>>> >> >>> email): challenges and rewards. Advocates complete challenges (like >>>> >> >>> "leave a review" or "write a case-study") and in return, we give >>>> them >>>> >> >>> points. Collect enough points, and they can redeem rewards. The >>>> >> >>> rewards are a thank you helping to advocate CouchDB. >>>> >> >>> >>>> >> >>> RATIONALE >>>> >> >>> >>>> >> >>> There are four main categories of reward: >>>> >> >>> >>>> >> >>> - Stuff (t-shirts, mugs, tickets to conferences, etc) >>>> >> >>> - Access (dinner with a committer, promotion on our blog, social >>>> >> media, etc) >>>> >> >>> - Status (recognition on our website, hand written thank you note, >>>> etc) >>>> >> >>> - Power (name a release, ... what else?) >>>> >> >>> >>>> >> >>> Struggling on the "power" category, because everything we do here is >>>> >> >>> decided by the community. This category would be much easier to fill >>>> >> >>> out if we were a regular business. But I figure that naming a >>>> release >>>> >> >>> is a fun approach. >>>> >> >>> >>>> >> >>> Thanks, >>>> >> >>> >>>> >> >>> -- >>>> >> >>> Noah Slater >>>> >> >>> https://twitter.com/nslater >>>> >> >> >>>> >> > >>>> >> >>>> >> >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > -- >>>> > Andy Wenk >>>> > Hamburg - Germany >>>> > RockIt! >>>> > >>>> > GPG fingerprint: C044 8322 9E12 1483 4FEC 9452 B65D 6BE3 9ED3 9588 >>>> > >>>> > https://people.apache.org/keys/committer/andywenk.asc >>>> >> >> >> >> -- >> Noah Slater >> https://twitter.com/nslater > > > > -- > Noah Slater > https://twitter.com/nslater -- Noah Slater https://twitter.com/nslater
