(Moving the rest of this discussion to the marketing@ list.) On 30 October 2014 16:25, Noah Slater <[email protected]> wrote: > If nobody objects, I'm going to assume consensus that "dedicating" a > release to an individual is okay if it takes the form of a footnote. > > On 28 October 2014 17:21, Noah Slater <[email protected]> wrote: >> (Re-copying dev@ here too.) >> >> Nope. Nobody is donating anything. This would be a reward that CouchDB >> advocates can redeem in exchange for advocating CouchDB. (There's a >> quick refresher in my first email, but I'm happy to provide more >> info.) >> >> My goal is to let a highly productive advocate have a bit of "power" >> over something. This ties into a theory about what motivates different >> people. Some people like recognition, some people just like free >> stuff, some people like exclusive access to things, and some people >> like being granted power. >> >> The first three are relatively easy, but the power thing is hard to do >> in a community where anybody can make a decision. >> >> The only things I can think of so far are: >> >> - "Naming" a weekly news edition (just a bit of fun, i.e. "aka the X >> edition") >> - Having a release dedicated to you (more of a recognition reward, really >> - Naming something inside the AdvocateHub (like a challenge) >> >> On 28 October 2014 01:37, Joan Touzet <[email protected]> wrote: >>> I don't understand, are we accepting donations and letting people name >>> releases? What's the point of a "name"? Don't get me wrong, I love the >>> Toy Story release names for Debian.... >>> >>> Counter-counter-proposal 1: >>> >>> If we want to use this to raise awareness... >>> >>> Do what Vim does. If people want to donate, and don't feel like >>> donating to the ASF, they can donate to the official CouchDB charity. >>> That could be something thematic like the Furniture Bank of America, >>> or something that we all feel passionate about TBD. >>> >>> Counter-counter-proposal 2: >>> >>> Yearly thank-yous to people that help, a sort of "awards" thing. >>> No need to tie it to a (possibly irregular) release schedule. >>> >>> -Joan >>> >>> ----- Original Message ----- >>> From: "Noah Slater" <[email protected]> >>> To: [email protected] >>> Cc: "Joan Touzet" <[email protected]> >>> Sent: Monday, October 27, 2014 6:01:06 PM >>> Subject: Re: [PROPOSAL] Naming releases >>> >>> Seems like consensus is that this is a bad idea--as formulated. >>> >>> How about softening the proposal? >>> >>> Counter-proposal A: >>> >>> - Tweets, social media posts, changelog, etc. all use the number *only* >>> - There is a single sentence in the release announcement email and >>> blog post to the effect of "aka the X release" >>> >>> Counter-proposal B: >>> >>> - Rephrase it slightly so that we're "dedicating" the release to >>> someone as a thank you >>> >>> Only problem with counter-proposal B is that (while it might be a good >>> idea) it puts it into the "access" category. We're giving someone >>> exclusive access to our platform as a thank you. >>> >>> Does anyone have any ideas for rewards that fall into the "power" >>> category, that we can reasonably offer, without compromising the >>> integrity of the project? >>> >>> We could let people "name" weekly news posts, I suppose. "aka the X >>> update". Heh. Perhaps that's less risky. >>> >>> >>> On 27 October 2014 21:55, Sebastian Rothbucher >>> <[email protected]> wrote: >>>> I'd KISS also - and stick with numbers only, so -0.5 as well >>>> >>>> On Mon, Oct 27, 2014 at 9:41 PM, Joan Touzet <[email protected]> wrote: >>>> >>>>> -0.5 for all the reasons previously outlined. >>>>> >>>>> ----- Original Message ----- >>>>> From: "Paul Davis" <[email protected]> >>>>> To: [email protected], [email protected] >>>>> Cc: [email protected] >>>>> Sent: Monday, October 27, 2014 3:39:55 PM >>>>> Subject: Re: [PROPOSAL] Naming releases >>>>> >>>>> I'm a bit on the -1 side of things as well. Having two ways to refer >>>>> to a release has always annoyed me with projects like Debian/Ubuntu. >>>>> Granted they tend to use them a lot more interchangeably than Noah is >>>>> suggesting, though I do wonder if it'd still lead to confusion. >>>>> >>>>> I think for the particular current case I wonder if we can't think of >>>>> other perk things for the category that Noah is trying to fill. Though >>>>> I have to say I can't think of anything off the top of my head. >>>>> >>>>> On Mon, Oct 27, 2014 at 2:30 PM, Andy Wenk <[email protected]> wrote: >>>>> > I have a bit of a feeling, that the proposal is a bit misunderstood. >>>>> > Noah >>>>> > has written: >>>>> > >>>>> > "We'd mention the name in the release announcement and >>>>> > in the changelog. But otherwise, we'd continue to talk about releases >>>>> > using the release number." >>>>> > >>>>> > So we use the name for a CouchDB release solely for marketing >>>>> > activities. >>>>> > We stay with the release numbers. So the number is the important part. >>>>> With >>>>> > Mac OS X and Ubuntu, the name is the important part and the number is >>>>> ... a >>>>> > number. >>>>> > >>>>> > So I don't see any problems with naming a release if we keep the release >>>>> > number as the most important part. >>>>> > >>>>> > Cheers >>>>> > >>>>> > Andy >>>>> > >>>>> > On 27 October 2014 20:18, Klaus Trainer <[email protected]> wrote: >>>>> > >>>>> >> I agree that it can be confusing. Ubuntu is doing that, and even >>>>> >> though >>>>> >> I've been using it for almost a decade now (and thus follow its release >>>>> >> cycles pretty closely), I'm still getting confused about their release >>>>> >> names from time to time. Please make sure that our project won't run >>>>> >> the risk of creating such unnecessary confusion. >>>>> >> >>>>> >> Thanks, >>>>> >> Klaus >>>>> >> >>>>> >> >>>>> >> On 27.10.2014 19:31, Robert Samuel Newson wrote: >>>>> >> > Also not a fan, its confusing and there’s an effort involved in >>>>> >> > coming >>>>> >> up with a name, an artificial impediment to release cycles, and we have >>>>> >> enough real ones. >>>>> >> > >>>>> >> > B. >>>>> >> > >>>>> >> > >>>>> >> >> On 27 Oct 2014, at 16:45, Jan Lehnardt <[email protected]> wrote: >>>>> >> >> >>>>> >> >> I’m not a fan, but I won’t be in the way of this. >>>>> >> >> >>>>> >> >> Best >>>>> >> >> Jan >>>>> >> >> -- >>>>> >> >> >>>>> >> >>> On 27 Oct 2014, at 14:49 , Noah Slater <[email protected]> wrote: >>>>> >> >>> >>>>> >> >>> Hi folks, >>>>> >> >>> >>>>> >> >>> SUMMARY >>>>> >> >>> >>>>> >> >>> I'm currently working on the rewards for the CouchDB AdvocateHub. >>>>> (See >>>>> >> >>> bottom of this email for a refresher.) >>>>> >> >>> >>>>> >> >>> One of the rewards I'd like to offer is the ability to "name" a >>>>> >> >>> CouchDB release. We'd mention the name in the release announcement >>>>> and >>>>> >> >>> in the changelog. But otherwise, we'd continue to talk about >>>>> releases >>>>> >> >>> using the release number. >>>>> >> >>> >>>>> >> >>> Primarily, I see it as a bit of fun. And a great way to reward >>>>> >> advocates. >>>>> >> >>> >>>>> >> >>> I'm cross-posting this to dev and marketing because it's both a >>>>> >> >>> release management proposal as well as a marketing proposal. >>>>> >> >>> >>>>> >> >>> DETAILS >>>>> >> >>> >>>>> >> >>> The way I see it working: >>>>> >> >>> >>>>> >> >>> - Advocate redeems the "name a release" reward, and picks a name >>>>> >> >>> - The name is vetted by the PMC (for brand protection) and put on a >>>>> >> queue >>>>> >> >>> - The next release picks the oldest name on the queue >>>>> >> >>> >>>>> >> >>> I'd probably actually want to separate this into three rewards: >>>>> >> >>> >>>>> >> >>> - Name a bugfix release >>>>> >> >>> - Name a minor release >>>>> >> >>> - Name a major release >>>>> >> >>> >>>>> >> >>> Each one would be require more points than the last. >>>>> >> >>> >>>>> >> >>> REFRESHER >>>>> >> >>> >>>>> >> >>> Our AdvocateHub is a professional tool that has been donated to us >>>>> >> >>> that will allow us to mobilise fans of CouchDB to talk about, >>>>> promote, >>>>> >> >>> and advocate CouchDB to on social media, and to their network. For >>>>> >> >>> a >>>>> >> >>> project like ours, with limited to no financial budget for >>>>> traditional >>>>> >> >>> marketing, this is a huge opportunity for us. >>>>> >> >>> >>>>> >> >>> The AdvocateHub has two important concepts (for the purposes of >>>>> >> >>> this >>>>> >> >>> email): challenges and rewards. Advocates complete challenges (like >>>>> >> >>> "leave a review" or "write a case-study") and in return, we give >>>>> them >>>>> >> >>> points. Collect enough points, and they can redeem rewards. The >>>>> >> >>> rewards are a thank you helping to advocate CouchDB. >>>>> >> >>> >>>>> >> >>> RATIONALE >>>>> >> >>> >>>>> >> >>> There are four main categories of reward: >>>>> >> >>> >>>>> >> >>> - Stuff (t-shirts, mugs, tickets to conferences, etc) >>>>> >> >>> - Access (dinner with a committer, promotion on our blog, social >>>>> >> media, etc) >>>>> >> >>> - Status (recognition on our website, hand written thank you note, >>>>> etc) >>>>> >> >>> - Power (name a release, ... what else?) >>>>> >> >>> >>>>> >> >>> Struggling on the "power" category, because everything we do here >>>>> >> >>> is >>>>> >> >>> decided by the community. This category would be much easier to >>>>> >> >>> fill >>>>> >> >>> out if we were a regular business. But I figure that naming a >>>>> release >>>>> >> >>> is a fun approach. >>>>> >> >>> >>>>> >> >>> Thanks, >>>>> >> >>> >>>>> >> >>> -- >>>>> >> >>> Noah Slater >>>>> >> >>> https://twitter.com/nslater >>>>> >> >> >>>>> >> > >>>>> >> >>>>> >> >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>> > -- >>>>> > Andy Wenk >>>>> > Hamburg - Germany >>>>> > RockIt! >>>>> > >>>>> > GPG fingerprint: C044 8322 9E12 1483 4FEC 9452 B65D 6BE3 9ED3 9588 >>>>> > >>>>> > https://people.apache.org/keys/committer/andywenk.asc >>>>> >>> >>> >>> >>> -- >>> Noah Slater >>> https://twitter.com/nslater >> >> >> >> -- >> Noah Slater >> https://twitter.com/nslater > > > > -- > Noah Slater > https://twitter.com/nslater
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