>From experience with slack channels, I like the separate users@ vs dev@
model. I'd be fine with a footer appending to messages, if apache supports
it and we want it, on ther users@ inviting people to joining dev@ to get
involved with development. So I'm very much not trying to hide the dev@
list. just keep user questions separate from development questions.

The google group has always been intended as a forum for users to ask
questions. It was occasionally used to report an issue (although people are
generally creating issues in git, which is better), although a significant
majority of code posted there was from user code, trying to understand what
wasn't working. I think there have been a couple threads asking about
something in the library code itself, but they've been rare.

  jon

On Thu, Feb 6, 2020 at 11:27 AM leerho <[email protected]> wrote:

> Hi Dave,
>
> I collected stats for 2019 and the average # of posts per month is 15 with
> wide variability from 0 to 50 per month.
>
> One concern about consolidating the traffic onto dev@ is that I think a
> number of new users might hesitate to submit naive questions on the
> developer list because they don't view themselves as developers and don't
> want to intrude.  A list labeled as "users" clearly includes new users and
> I think would be more friendly.
>
> A second issue is separation of traffic.  For example, our science members
> are not in a position to support new users and I would prefer to give them
> the option of not signing up for the users@ traffic.
>
> An additional thought is that if we set up the users@ list now we would
> not have to migrate them out of the dev@ list later and we wouldn't have
> to have all our users do yet another migration.
>
> I'd like to hear from some other folks about these issues.
>
> Lee.
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> On Thu, Feb 6, 2020 at 10:50 AM Dave Fisher <[email protected]> wrote:
>
>> Hi -
>>
>> What types of discussions are frequent on the google group? How many
>> posts are typical?
>>
>> It might be good to coalesce the community on the dev@ until there are
>> clearly enough users and volume of email to need a users@ mailing list.
>>
>> Regards,
>> Dave
>>
>> On Feb 6, 2020, at 1:22 PM, leerho <[email protected]> wrote:
>>
>> Folks,
>>
>> This is a call for a vote on the following:
>>
>> I propose that we deprecate the Google Groups
>> <https://groups.google.com/forum/#!forum/sketches-user> forum and direct
>> users to a newly created users@ email list.
>>
>> The steps would be as follows:
>>
>>    1. Create a new [email protected] email list.
>>    2. Clearly mark the existing Google Groups site as deprecated and
>>    direct users to the new list.
>>    3. Update all references to the Google Groups site on our web site
>>    and repository READMEs to the new list.
>>
>> This vote will be performed in one stage:
>>    - This letter will be published on dev@ and remain open for at least
>> 72 hours and at least 3 (+1) PPMC votes or a majority of (+1) are acquired.
>> All PPMC members including Mentors can vote.
>>
>> Please vote accordingly:
>>
>> [ ] +1 approve
>> [ ] +0 no opinion
>> [ ] -1 disapprove with the reason
>>
>> Thanks,
>> Lee Rhodes
>> [email protected]
>>
>>
>>

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