Patricia, I think Ross said it well. Just because I saw someone commit murder, doesn't give me the right to beat (or hang, or incite others to do) the perpetrator and fair trial is still a necessity in our civilized society. Lynching is (I hoped) a thing of the past. I am not willing to give up the basic pillars of our society, just because someone was offended, or even hurt. Sorry, but to me, the principle of "rather let a murderer go free, than risk convict an innocent" is still a strong one. But lately, it seems to no longer be the case.
With all due respect Niclas On Sun, Nov 10, 2019 at 2:48 PM Ross Gardler <[email protected]> wrote: > IN THIS MAIL I AM ATTEMPTING TO DIG DEEPER THAN THE SURFACE. I AM NOT > ATTEMPTING TO MAKE ANY JUDGEMENT ON ANY SPECIFIC OPINION OR SITUATION. I > BEG THAT PEOPLE DON'T TRY TO READ BETWEEN THE LINES. IF SOMETHING SEEMS > "OFF" IN SOME WAY PLEASE ASK FOR CLARIFICATION. > > Historically rules of confidentiality have also protected the innocent > from false accusations and trial by media. > > It's very hard to find the right balance. How might the ASF best handle a > situation like this? > > Ross > > > > ________________________________ > From: Patricia Shanahan <[email protected]> > Sent: Saturday, November 9, 2019 6:18:52 PM > To: [email protected] <[email protected]> > Subject: Re: FYI > > Could you clarify who would be prohibited from public statements by this? > > Historically, rules requiring confidentiality have been used to restrict > victims of harassment from talking publicly about incidents. That has > let harassment and assault continue by preventing discovery of a pattern > of behavior with multiple victims. > > On 11/9/2019 4:55 PM, Niclas Hedhman wrote: > > I don't know the details on the circumstances here, but it seems to me > that > > the point of "public accusations" should constitute harassment in and of > > itself. Do we make that explicit? > > > > // Niclas > > > > On Sat, Nov 9, 2019 at 8:19 AM Matt Sicker <[email protected]> wrote: > > > >> This is just Uncle Bob being reactionary. What else is new? > >> > >> On Fri, Nov 8, 2019 at 14:28 Kevin A. McGrail <[email protected]> > wrote: > >> > >>> Yeah just bringing it for others to loop in. > >>> > >>> On Fri, Nov 8, 2019, 15:26 Sally Khudairi <[email protected]> wrote: > >>> > >>>> Quite a bit of activity about this on Twitter yesterday... > >>>> > >>>> - - - > >>>> Vice President Marketing & Publicity > >>>> Vice President Sponsor Relations > >>>> The Apache Software Foundation > >>>> > >>>> Tel +1 617 921 8656 | [email protected] > >>>> > >>>> On Fri, Nov 8, 2019, at 15:18, Kevin A. McGrail wrote: > >>>>> > >>>> > >>> > >> > https://nam06.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fblog.cleancoder.com%2Funcle-bob%2F2019%2F11%2F08%2FOpenLetterLinuxFoundation.html&data=02%7C01%7CRoss.Gardler%40microsoft.com%7C3fd9ab83d1884f6c043a08d765846506%7C72f988bf86f141af91ab2d7cd011db47%7C1%7C0%7C637089491620296831&sdata=z3qcdMSTYuHeaLivL6ooPBUjYeZDTPqICIIlfihZpCE%3D&reserved=0 > >>>>> > >>>>> -- > >>>>> Kevin A. McGrail > >>>>> Member, Apache Software Foundation > >>>>> Chair Emeritus Apache SpamAssassin Project > >>>>> > https://nam06.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.linkedin.com%2Fin%2Fkmcgrail&data=02%7C01%7CRoss.Gardler%40microsoft.com%7C3fd9ab83d1884f6c043a08d765846506%7C72f988bf86f141af91ab2d7cd011db47%7C1%7C0%7C637089491620296831&sdata=iw2%2F9S7KS%2BWm3eUzvpMTvuH3%2Fs3MoxEcK6aMQwnxG%2BU%3D&reserved=0 > - 703.798.0171 > >>>>> > >>>> > >>> > >> -- > >> Matt Sicker <[email protected]> > >> > > > > > -- Niclas Hedhman, Software Developer http://polygene.apache.org - New Energy for Java
