On 5/17/2018 8:49 PM, Neil Horman wrote:
> On Thu, May 17, 2018 at 07:39:12AM -0700, Stephen Hemminger wrote:
>> On Thu, 17 May 2018 14:23:46 +0100
>> Ferruh Yigit <ferruh.yi...@intel.com> wrote:
>>
>>> On 5/16/2018 12:47 PM, Neil Horman wrote:
>>>> On Tue, May 15, 2018 at 05:56:12PM +0100, Ferruh Yigit wrote:  
>>>>> When EFI secure boot is enabled, it is possible to lock down kernel and
>>>>> prevent accessing device BARs and this makes igb_uio unusable.
>>>>>
>>>>> Lock down patches are not part of the vanilla kernel but they are
>>>>> applied and used by some distros already [1].
>>>>>
>>>>> It is not possible to fix this issue, but intention of this patch is to
>>>>> detect and log if kernel lock down enabled and don't insert the module
>>>>> for that case.
>>>>>
>>>>> The challenge is since this feature enabled by distros, they have
>>>>> different config options and APIs for it. This patch is done based on
>>>>> Fedora and Ubuntu kernel source, may needs to add more distro specific
>>>>> support.
>>>>>
>>>>> [1]
>>>>> kernel.ubuntu.com/git/ubuntu/ubuntu-artful.git/commit/?id=99f9ef18d5b6
>>>>> And a few more patches to
>>>>>  
>>>> What exactly is the error you get when you load the igb_uio module?  I ask
>>>> because, looking at least at the Fedora patches, the BAR registers 
>>>> themselves
>>>> aren't made unwriteable, its only userspace access through very specific
>>>> channels that are gated on (things like /proc/bus/pci/...).  From what I 
>>>> can see
>>>> (again, not having looked at other implementations), kernel modules that 
>>>> load
>>>> successfully should be able to modify bar registers, and otherwise function
>>>> normally (as to weather they are permitted to load is another question).  
>>>
>>> This patch is based on understanding on the effect of the lockdown patches, 
>>> that
>>> it will disable hardware access from userspace.
>>> I don't have an environment to test this and indeed I am not very clear 
>>> about
>>> effects of the lockdown set.
>>>
>>>>
>>>> The reason I ask this is twofold:
>>>>
>>>> 1) if a specific access is failing, that seems like it could be the 
>>>> trigger to
>>>> use, rather than explicitly checking if the kernel is locked down.  I 
>>>> don't see
>>>> one expressly called, but if you're calling pci_write_config_* somewhere, 
>>>> and
>>>> getting an EPERM error, thats a reason to fail the loading of igb_uio, 
>>>> based on
>>>> the fact that you don't have permission to write to the appropriate 
>>>> hardware.
>>>>
>>>> 2) Its more than just the igb_uio module that will fail.  Any attempt to 
>>>> pass a
>>>> VF into a guest using user space tools (including the vfio scripts that 
>>>> dpdk
>>>> includes), should fail.  As such, it might be better to have some 
>>>> component in
>>>> user space test one of the aforementioned restricted paths for 
>>>> writeability.
>>>> Such an approach would be more generic, and eliminate the need to assemble 
>>>> a set
>>>> of tests to see if the kernel is locked down.  A more generic error message
>>>> could then be logged and the dpdk could exit gracefully, weather or not 
>>>> igb_uio
>>>> was loaded.  
>>>
>>> With the existing patches, expectation is vfio will work but it will only 
>>> effect
>>> igb_uio.
>>>
>>>>
>>>> Its probably also important to note here that, this lockdown patch, from my
>>>> digging, has been carried in Fedora since December of 2016, and its still 
>>>> not
>>>> made it upstream.  Thats not to say that it will never do so, but it 
>>>> suggests
>>>> that, given the 2 years of out of tree updates its received, there its use 
>>>> is
>>>> both very specific and limted to users who understand its implications.  
>>>> This
>>>> probably isn't something to make significant or hard-to-maintain changes 
>>>> to the
>>>> dpdk (or any other software) over.  
>>>
>>> Have same expectation that use will be specific and limited, that is why 
>>> planed
>>> to change only igb_uio to detect the case and return with a log, instead of
>>> updating anything in the dpdk.
>>>
>>> in igb_uio the plan was just adding simple check, patches being not 
>>> upstreamed
>>> added more complexity, but not still I believe it is not significant or
>>> hard-to-maintain change.
>>
>> The  issue is that igb_uio is not secure since it allows userspace to setup
>> DMA to any physical address. In lockdown mode, even root is not supposed to 
>> be
>> able to peek and poke arbitrary memory.
>>
>> Actually, it would make more sense to just have code to block all UIO drivers
>> in uio.c since uio_pci_generic has the same issue.
>>
> That makes a bit more sense to me, yes.

Hi Thomas,

We can postpone this to next release, no need to get any risk related this for
this release.

Thanks,
ferruh

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