Shall we call the voting closed? Any last stragglers?
On Tue, Dec 1, 2015 at 5:39 PM, Ted Dunning <ted.dunn...@gmail.com> wrote: > > Apache can handle this if we set the groundwork in place. > > Also, Twitter's lawyers work for Twitter, not for Apache. As such, their > opinions can't be taken by Apache as legal advice. There are issues of > privilege, conflict of interest and so on. > > > > On Wed, Dec 2, 2015 at 7:51 AM, Alex Levenson <alexleven...@twitter.com> > wrote: >> >> I can ask about whether Twitter's lawyers can help out -- is that >> something we need? Or is that something apache helps out with in the next >> step? >> >> On Mon, Nov 30, 2015 at 9:32 PM, Julian Hyde <jh...@apache.org> wrote: >>> >>> +1 to have a vote tomorrow. >>> >>> Assuming that Vector is out of play, I just did a quick search for the >>> top 4 remaining, (“arrow”, “honeycomb”, “herringbone”, “joist"), at >>> sourceforge, open hub, trademarkia, and on google. There are no trademarks >>> for these in similar subject areas. There is a moderately active project >>> called “joist” [1]. >>> >>> I will point out that “Apache Arrow” has native-american connotations >>> that we may or may not want to live with (just ask the Washington Redskins >>> how they feel about their name). >>> >>> If someone would like to vet other names, use the links on >>> https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/PODLINGNAMESEARCH-90, and fill out >>> column C in the spreadsheet. >>> >>> Julian >>> >>> [1] https://github.com/stephenh/joist >>> >>> >>> On Nov 30, 2015, at 7:01 PM, Jacques Nadeau <jacq...@dremio.com> wrote: >>> >>> +1 >>> >>> -- >>> Jacques Nadeau >>> CTO and Co-Founder, Dremio >>> >>> On Mon, Nov 30, 2015 at 6:34 PM, Wes McKinney <w...@cloudera.com> wrote: >>> >>> Should we have a last call for votes, closing EOD tomorrow (Tuesday)? I >>> missed this for a few days last week with holiday travel. >>> >>> On Thu, Nov 26, 2015 at 3:04 PM, Julian Hyde <jul...@hydromatic.net> >>> wrote: >>> >>> Consulting a lawyer is part of the Apache branding process but the first >>> stage is to gather a list of potential conflicts - >>> https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/PODLINGNAMESEARCH-90 is an example. >>> >>> The other part, frankly, is to pick your battles. >>> >>> A year or so ago Actian re-branded Vectorwise as Vector. >>> >>> http://www.zdnet.com/article/actian-consolidates-its-analytics-portfolio/. >>> Given that it is an analytic database in the Hadoop space I think that is >>> as close to a “direct hit” as it gets. I don’t think we need a lawyer to >>> tell us that. Certainly it makes sense to look for conflicts for the >>> other >>> alternatives before consulting lawyers. >>> >>> Julian >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> On Nov 25, 2015, at 9:42 PM, Marcel Kornacker <mar...@cloudera.com> >>> wrote: >>> >>> >>> >>> On Tue, Nov 24, 2015 at 3:25 PM, Jacques Nadeau <jacq...@dremio.com> >>> wrote: >>> >>> Ok guys, >>> >>> I don't think anyone is doing a thorough analysis of viaability. I did a >>> quick glance and the top one (Vector) seems like it would have an issue >>> with conflict of an Actian product. The may be fine. Let's do a second >>> phase vote. >>> >>> >>> I'm assuming you mean Vectorwise? >>> >>> Before we do anything else, could we have a lawyer look into this? Last >>> time around that I remember (Parquet), Twitter's lawyers did a good job >>> of >>> weeding out the potential trademark violations. >>> >>> Alex, could Twitter get involved this time around as well? >>> >>> >>> >>> Pick your top 3 (1,2,3 with 3 being top preference) >>> >>> Let's get this done by Friday and then we can do a podling name search >>> starting with the top one. >>> >>> Link again: >>> >>> >>> >>> https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1q6UqluW6SLuMKRwW2TBGBzHfYLlXYm37eKJlIxWQGQM/edit#gid=304381532&vpid=A1 >>> >>> thanks >>> >>> >>> -- >>> Jacques Nadeau >>> CTO and Co-Founder, Dremio >>> >>> On Fri, Nov 20, 2015 at 9:24 AM, Jacques Nadeau <jacq...@dremio.com> >>> wrote: >>> >>> Ok, it looks like we have a candidate list (we actually got 11 since >>> there was a three-way tie for ninth place): >>> >>> VectorArrowhoneycombHerringbonejoistV2Pietcolbufbatonimpulsevictor >>> Next we need to do trademark searches on each of these to see whether >>> we're likely to have success. I've moved candidates to a second tab: >>> >>> >>> >>> https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1q6UqluW6SLuMKRwW2TBGBzHfYLlXYm37eKJlIxWQGQM/edit#gid=304381532 >>> >>> Anybody want to give a hand in analyzing potential conflicts? >>> >>> >>> >>> -- >>> Jacques Nadeau >>> CTO and Co-Founder, Dremio >>> >>> On Mon, Nov 16, 2015 at 12:10 PM, Jacques Nadeau <jacq...@dremio.com> >>> wrote: >>> >>> Everybody should pick their ten favorites using the numbers 1 to 10. >>> >>> 10 is most preferred >>> >>> >>> >>> -- >>> Jacques Nadeau >>> CTO and Co-Founder, Dremio >>> >>> On Mon, Nov 16, 2015 at 10:17 AM, Ted Dunning <ted.dunn...@gmail.com> >>> wrote: >>> >>> >>> Single vote for most preferred? >>> >>> Single transferable vote? >>> >>> >>> >>> On Tue, Nov 17, 2015 at 2:50 AM, Jacques Nadeau <jacq...@dremio.com> >>> wrote: >>> >>> Given that a bunch of people added names to the sheet, I'll take >>> that as tacit agreement to the proposed process. >>> >>> Let's move to the first vote phase. I've added a column for >>> everybody's votes. Let's try to wrap up the vote by 10am on Wednesday. >>> >>> thanks! >>> Jacques >>> >>> >>> >>> -- >>> Jacques Nadeau >>> CTO and Co-Founder, Dremio >>> >>> On Thu, Nov 12, 2015 at 12:03 PM, Jacques Nadeau <jacq...@apache.org >>> >>> wrote: >>> >>> >>> Hey Guys, >>> >>> It sounds like we need to do a little more work on the Vector >>> proposal >>> before the board would like to consider it. The main point of >>> contention >>> right now is the name of the project. We need to decide on a name >>> and get >>> it signed off through PODLINGNAMESEARCH. >>> >>> Naming is extremely subjective so I'd like to propose a process for >>> selection that minimizes pain. This is an initial proposal and >>> >>> We do the naming in the following steps >>> - 1: Collect a set of names to be considered >>> - 2: Run a vote for 2 days where each member ranks their top 10 >>> options >>> 1..10 >>> - 3: Take the top ten vote getters and do a basic analysis of >>> whether we >>> think that any have legal issues. Keep dropping names that have >>> this until >>> we get with 10 reasonably solid candidate names >>> - 5: Take the top ten names and give people 48 hours to rank their >>> top 3 >>> names >>> - 6: Start a PODLINGNAMESEARCH on the top rank one, if that doesn't >>> work, >>> try the second and third options. >>> >>> I suggest we take name suggestions for step 1 from everyone but then >>> constrain the voting to the newly proposed project [1]. We could >>> just do >>> this in a private email thread but I think doing it on Drill dev is >>> better >>> in the interest of transparency. This isn't the perfect place for >>> that but >>> I'm not sure a better place exists. >>> >>> I'm up for changing any or all of this depending on what others >>> think. Just >>> wanted to get the ball rolling on a proposed process. >>> >>> If this works, I've posted a doc at [2] that we can use for step 1. >>> >>> Thanks, >>> Jacques >>> >>> [1] List of proposed new project members/voters: Todd Lipcon, Ted >>> Dunning, >>> Michael Stack, P. Taylor Goetz, Julian Hyde, Julien Le Dem, Jacques >>> Nadeau, >>> James Taylor, Jake Luciani, Parth Chandra, Alex Levenson, Marcel >>> Kornacker, >>> Steven Phillips, Hanifi Gunes, Wes McKinney, Jason Altekruse, David >>> Alves, >>> Zain Asgar, Ippokratis Pandis, Abdel Hakim Deneche, Reynold Xin. >>> [2] >>> >>> >>> https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1q6UqluW6SLuMKRwW2TBGBzHfYLlXYm37eKJlIxWQGQM/edit#gid=0 >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >> >> >> >> -- >> Alex Levenson >> @THISWILLWORK > >
