Thanks Myrle - totally agree we don't want to have copy and paste going
on.  Jira tickets are canon.

I immediately found that a macro insert works -->
https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/FINERACT/Test+page
but only for infra tickets.  I'll work on figuring this out.

Thanks for the suggestion.

@jdailey67


On Mon, Mar 4, 2019 at 12:39 AM Myrle Krantz <[email protected]> wrote:

> If you're going to be carrying over information from Jira, you should look
> into whether its possible to use the jira integration in confluence so that
> it can be done automatically.  Then create shared filters on release
> numbers and you have "one source of truth" rather than spreading
> information between two systems and leaving everyone to wonder which is
> canonical.
>
> I don't know though if this will work without Infra involvement.  You may
> need to ask.
>
> Best Regards,
> Myrle
>
> On Mon, Mar 4, 2019 at 4:36 AM James Dailey <[email protected]>
> wrote:
>
> > Hi Isaac -- Thanks for the input. I'd also like to have community members
> > be able to more easily understand the needs and the priorities.  Some of
> > that, I hope, can be incorporated into the FAQ.
> >
> > At the risk of expanding this topic just a tad, there should be a norm
> for
> > a newbie to:
> > * Consult the main page, consult the FAQ, high level pages on wiki
> > * Join the listserv
> > * Browse some tickets
> > * Set up dev environment (if coding) or demo environment (if
> documentation
> > or UI)
> > * Dig further into wiki
> > * Ask questions about specific tasks or code on the list
> >
> > I take Myrle's suggestion as to not have a roadmap that makes the project
> > look bad when we don't meet specific dates and capabilities. We want an
> > accurate reflection of the level of work going on and the actual
> > priorities. The PMC report has had good information about what is
> actually
> > going on.
> >
> > Looking at just roadmaps, we want to focus, I think, on three levels:
> >
> > *Level A)* high level product roadmap - laying out broad areas of
> > improvement or enhancement to communicate "what would be useful?" ;
> >     in my mind, the high level community roadmap should be something that
> > is able to be referenced and not changed much over an 18 month period
> >    this should not have dates, more about priorities
> >
> > *Level B)* roadmap of specific enhancements that stand in for the lack of
> > "Epics"  in apache jira set up. This may be too labor intensive so only
> > should be done for specific higher profile things.  ("Epics" are high
> > level, can be related to a product need, and reference multiple jira
> > tickets)
> >
> > *Level C)* a bit more controversial perhaps, but one thing I know about
> > open source projects is that they (we) should also have the
> "anti-roadmap",
> > the areas that fineract does NOT intend to do.  Why?  This gives space
> for
> > the commercial users of the code to come up with add-ons and wrappers
> that
> > then create the virtuous cycle of contribution. That anti-roadmap should
> be
> > fairly broadly stated.  e.g. we won't develop deployment tools or
> training
> > materials.... we leave that to other players in market
> >
> > So, I think for now, I'd like to mark "To-be-deprecated" on pages that
> are
> > not active, haven't been updated in over 12 months. If they are actually
> > active and relevant, then the person involved in maintaining that page
> can
> > easily remove that term, and if not, then after a reasonable period of
> time
> > - say 30 days - we put those pages into full Deprecated status.
> >
> > Given the discussion thus far and using our lazy consensus approach, I'm
> > going to move forward on the restructuring first.
> >
> > Thanks,
> > jdailey
> >
> >
> > On Sun, Mar 3, 2019 at 6:49 PM Isaac Kamga <[email protected]>
> wrote:
> >
> > > Hello James,
> > >
> > > Thanks for the immense efforts you're putting into making the wiki more
> > > visible and supple.
> > >
> > > Besides being open source best practice, I think the community roadmap
> > > should be left there given it provides clarity to volunteers, puts open
> > > issues in context and doesn't coerce anyone with tight deadlines.
> > >
> > > Cheers,
> > > Isaac Kamga.
> > >
> > > On Thu, Feb 28, 2019 at 2:56 PM Myrle Krantz <[email protected]> wrote:
> > >
> > > > Hey James,
> > > >
> > > > The FAQ looks good.  Really good.
> > > >
> > > > I like your proposed restructuring of the Wiki too.  I would suggest
> > two
> > > > changes:
> > > > * Leave a space for discussing/document architecture/design
> decisions.
> > > > * Remove the roadmap.  We are mostly volunteers.  We shouldn't be
> > making
> > > > promises about future development.  We'll only be making liars out of
> > > > ourselves.  And besides, this area is mostly duplication of Jira
> > anyways,
> > > > so creating an area like this creates unnecessary data duplication
> > > > efforts.  Or it means the task data are being captured solely in
> > > > confluence, which just is less good than jira for that purpose.
> > > >
> > > > But since I won't have time to help you on it, you can take my
> opinions
> > > or
> > > > leave them.
> > > >
> > > > Best Regards,
> > > > Myrle
> > > >
> > > > On Thu, Feb 28, 2019 at 12:51 AM James Dailey <
> [email protected]>
> > > > wrote:
> > > >
> > > > > Devs -
> > > > >
> > > > > I have noted a number of emails from people with basic questions
> > about
> > > > the
> > > > > project and have tried to collate those into a FAQ.  Please see my
> > > > changes
> > > > > to https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/FINERACT/FAQ.  If
> you
> > > > > object, either respond to this email or make comments on the page
> > > itself.
> > > > >
> > > > > As previously communicated I am also thinking we need to change the
> > > > > structure of the navigation for the project - the left side "Page
> > Tree"
> > > > at
> > > > > https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/FINERACT/Fineract+Home
> ;
> > > > > While it is now familiar to many of us, to a new person I think it
> > > > remains
> > > > > very confusing.
> > > > >
> > > > > @Myrle Krantz <[email protected]>  please suggest if this is
> > something
> > > > > you'd like to collaborate on...
> > > > > The structure I think should follow this with other content below
> > these
> > > > > two top levels:
> > > > >
> > > > >    1. Getting Involved & Community Norms
> > > > >       1. Getting Started
> > > > >       2. PMC reports
> > > > >       3. Contributors & Committers
> > > > >       4. How To Articles
> > > > >    2. Fineract
> > > > >       1. Roadmap
> > > > >       2. Releases
> > > > >       3. Getting started (pull out specifics to Fineract1.x)
> > > > >       4. Functional specs
> > > > >       5. User Zones
> > > > >    3. Fineract CN
> > > > >    1. Roadmap
> > > > >       2. Releases
> > > > >       3. Getting started (pull out specifics to Fineract-CN)
> > > > >       4. Functional specs
> > > > >       5. User Zones
> > > > >    4. Blog & Outbound Communications
> > > > >       1. Presentations Given
> > > > >       2. Speech text
> > > > >    5. FAQ
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > >
> > >
> >
>

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