For PrintUI, Flex was really the only choice. Why? TLF. Fidelity of text rendering and consistency with InDesign server was critical, and no other technology competes…
The app is pretty complex as well with probably over 100 classes. (Maybe more. I never counted…) Doing that in most HTML frameworks would be -- not fun. In terms of the complexity, the only other framework that would appeal to me is probably GWT. Harbs On Feb 5, 2013, at 11:48 PM, Alex Harui wrote: > Thanks Om and others who posted links, it is always rewarding to me to see > these end products. > > So, it looks like print and photo publishers, paint manufacturers and > video/video conferencing providers have chosen Flex. My next question is: > why? Honestly, I have a hard time telling if there is some key aspect of > the site that made Flex the better choice over HTML, especially if you had > to start today. When I saw Nick's revamp of our site, I thought it was > visually on the same level as these sites. > > > On 2/5/13 12:24 PM, "Om" <bigosma...@gmail.com> wrote: > >> I got these off of the apache flex wikipedia page: >> >> https://www.sherwin-williams.com/visualizer/# >> http://www.chesscube.com/play/app/ (app is seen, but need to register to >> play) >> http://demo.bigbluebutton.org/ (Enter your name and click "Join") >> http://www.hbogo.com >> http://www.behr.com, >> http://www.behr.com/Behr/home#view=14;channel=EXPLORE;vgnextoid=6bd8ea6621ca51 >> 10VgnVCM1000008119fea9RCRD >> >> Om >> >> On Tue, Feb 5, 2013 at 12:07 PM, Om <bigosma...@gmail.com> wrote: >> >>> Here is one public facing Flex app by Snapfish: >>> >>> http://bit.ly/VReNum >>> >>> Om >>> >>> >>> On Tue, Feb 5, 2013 at 12:01 PM, Roland Zwaga >>> <rol...@stackandheap.com>wrote: >>> >>>> ok, on third try it worked, hopefully it was just a glitch then :) >>>> >>>> On 5 February 2013 20:59, Alex Harui <aha...@adobe.com> wrote: >>>> >>>>> Both links worked for me on Mac Safari. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> On 2/5/13 11:57 AM, "Roland Zwaga" <rol...@stackandheap.com> wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> I wasn't implying you should fix the bug :) >>>>>> >>>>>> But we do have to make sure that all of the apps we're listing >>>> actually >>>>>> work :) >>>>>> >>>>>> On 5 February 2013 20:54, Om <bigosma...@gmail.com> wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>>> Well, did you contact customer service? ;-) Sorry, I am not involved >>>>> with >>>>>>> this app anymore. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> On Tue, Feb 5, 2013 at 11:48 AM, Roland Zwaga < >>>> rol...@stackandheap.com >>>>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> When I try the first link I immediately get this error after the >>>>>>>> application loaded: >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> We are sorry you are having problems. To contact Shutterfly customer >>>>>>>> service: >>>>>>>> Email: customerserv...@cs.shutterfly.com >>>>>>>> Phone: 1-888-225-7159 >>>>>>>> Monday - Friday: 6am - 5pm Pacific Time >>>>>>>> Saturday - Sunday: 8:30am - 5pm Pacific Time >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Please provide this information with your contact details: >>>>>>>> build: r13.0 01/07/2013 16:51 >>>>>>>> client time: Tue Feb 5 20:47:53 GMT+0100 2013 >>>>>>>> total memory: 50823168 >>>>>>>> is debugger: false >>>>>>>> language: en >>>>>>>> local file read disable: false >>>>>>>> manufacturer: Google Pepper >>>>>>>> os: Windows 8 >>>>>>>> player type: PlugIn >>>>>>>> version: WIN 11,6,602,167 >>>>>>>> screen dpi: 72 >>>>>>>> screen res x: 1920 >>>>>>>> screen res y: 1080 >>>>>>>> ==================================== >>>>>>>> Type: FATAL_EVENT >>>>>>>> Message:Startup Aborted >>>>>>>> eventType: operationError >>>>>>>> System.totalMemory: 50802688 >>>>>>>> opClassName: >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>> >>>> > com.shutterfly.web.custompath.shell.controller.initialization::StartApplicat>>> > i >>>>>>> onCmdlet >>>>>>>> activityStack: >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>> >>>> > com.shutterfly.web.custompath.shell.controller::LoadUserSessionDataCmdlet,co>>> > m >>>>>>> >>>>> >>>> > .shutterfly.web.custompath.shell.controller.initialization::StartApplication>>> > C >>>>>>> mdlet >>>>>>>> Capabilities.version: WIN 11,6,602,167 >>>>>>>> System.vmVersion: 2.1 sec cyclone >>>>>>>> result: undefined >>>>>>>> error: Security error accessing url >>>>>>>> Capabilities.os: Windows 8 >>>>>>>> sourceClass: >>>>>>> com.shutterfly.web.custompath.shell.controller::StartupCommand >>>>>>>> appRunTime: 30939 >>>>>>>> ==================================== >>>>>>>> Recent Info Events >>>>>>>> ==================================== >>>>>>>> Type: APP_INFO >>>>>>>> Message:Sending a notification >>>>>>>> Capabilities.os: Windows 8 >>>>>>>> System.totalMemory: 50798592 >>>>>>>> Capabilities.version: WIN 11,6,602,167 >>>>>>>> System.vmVersion: 2.1 sec cyclone >>>>>>>> NOTIFICATION: OOPS_EVENT >>>>>>>> sourceClass: com.shutterfly.web.custompath.shell::ShellFacade >>>>>>>> type: INFO >>>>>>>> appRunTime: 30937 >>>>>>>> ==================================== >>>>>>>> ==================================== >>>>>>>> Type: APP_INFO >>>>>>>> Message:trackPageName called >>>>>>>> Capabilities.version: WIN 11,6,602,167 >>>>>>>> System.totalMemory: 47570944 >>>>>>>> oldPageName: >>>>>>>> System.vmVersion: 2.1 sec cyclone >>>>>>>> appRunTime: 30775 >>>>>>>> Capabilities.os: Windows 8 >>>>>>>> sourceClass: com.shutterfly.omniture::SflyActionSourceImpl >>>>>>>> type: INFO >>>>>>>> newPageName: Custompath/OopsDialog >>>>>>>> ==================================== >>>>>>>> ==================================== >>>>>>>> Type: APP_INFO >>>>>>>> Message:Sending a notification >>>>>>>> Capabilities.os: Windows 8 >>>>>>>> System.totalMemory: 47517696 >>>>>>>> Capabilities.version: WIN 11,6,602,167 >>>>>>>> System.vmVersion: 2.1 sec cyclone >>>>>>>> NOTIFICATION: FORCE_HIDE_PLEASE_WAIT_INDICATOR >>>>>>>> sourceClass: com.shutterfly.web.custompath.shell::ShellFacade >>>>>>>> type: INFO >>>>>>>> appRunTime: 30773 >>>>>>>> ==================================== >>>>>>>> ==================================== >>>>>>>> Type: APP_INFO >>>>>>>> Message:The cmdlet completed >>>>>>>> System.totalMemory: 47517696 >>>>>>>> Cmdlet: >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>> >>>> > com.shutterfly.web.custompath.shell.controller.cmdlets::HidePleaseWaitIndica>>> > t >>>>>>> orCmdlet >>>>>>>> System.vmVersion: 2.1 sec cyclone >>>>>>>> Capabilities.version: WIN 11,6,602,167 >>>>>>>> Capabilities.os: Windows 8 >>>>>>>> sourceClass: >>>>>>> com.shutterfly.operations.monitoring::CmdletAppEventDispatcher >>>>>>>> type: INFO >>>>>>>> appRunTime: 30773 >>>>>>>> ==================================== >>>>>>>> ==================================== >>>>>>>> Type: APP_INFO >>>>>>>> Message:About to execute a synchronous cmdlet >>>>>>>> System.totalMemory: 47513600 >>>>>>>> Cmdlet: >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>> >>>> > com.shutterfly.web.custompath.shell.controller.cmdlets::HidePleaseWaitIndica>>> > t >>>>>>> orCmdlet >>>>>>>> System.vmVersion: 2.1 sec cyclone >>>>>>>> Capabilities.version: WIN 11,6,602,167 >>>>>>>> Capabilities.os: Windows 8 >>>>>>>> sourceClass: >>>>>>> com.shutterfly.operations.monitoring::CmdletAppEventDispatcher >>>>>>>> type: INFO >>>>>>>> appRunTime: 30772 >>>>>>>> ==================================== >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> On 5 February 2013 20:31, Om <bigosma...@gmail.com> wrote: >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> A couple of projects that I was involved with in the past - does >>>> not >>>>>>>>> require login to launch. You could work off of your pictures from >>>>> your >>>>>>>>> desktop or chose to login to one of the providers listed (facebook, >>>>>>> etc.) >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>> http://www.shutterfly.com/custompath/viewEdit.sfly?fid=bbc315ed9d1d8661 >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>> http://www.shutterfly.com/simplepath/viewEdit.sfly?fid=3a3b75397df239b0 >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Thanks, >>>>>>>>> Om >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> On Tue, Feb 5, 2013 at 11:16 AM, Nicholas Kwiatkowski < >>>>>>> nicho...@spoon.as >>>>>>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> I've got a few apps to show off, but in all honesty -- I've been >>>>>>> doing >>>>>>>>>> mostly mobile work lately. Here is one of the first Flex 4.8.0 >>>> apps >>>>>>> I >>>>>>>>>> published... : >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>> https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=air.org.pointi.androidApp >>>>>>>>>> http://itunes.apple.com/us/app/pointillism/id556476833?ls=1&mt=8 >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> -Nick >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> On Tue, Feb 5, 2013 at 2:08 PM, Lee Burrows < >>>>>>>>> subscripti...@leeburrows.com >>>>>>>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> Im happy for this small web app (and source code) to be used if >>>> its >>>>>>>>>> deemed >>>>>>>>>>> appropriate: http://mandelbrot-explorer.**com/< >>>>>>>>>> http://mandelbrot-explorer.com/>- it was built pre-Apache but is >>>>>>> spark >>>>>>>>> so >>>>>>>>>> i can easily update it to 4.9 >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> On 05/02/2013 18:57, Alex Harui wrote: >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> It would definitely be great to get some apps for the showcase. >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> The Adobe Flex showcase is still up, but it suffers from the >>>> fact >>>>>>>> that >>>>>>>>>>>> most apps require a login so most of what you have are >>>>>>> screenshots. >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> I sent a screenshot of PrintUI to Infoworld, and apps like that >>>>>>>> would >>>>>>>>> be >>>>>>>>>>>> nice to have in a showcase. >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> One thing I've been pondering is that what the killer showcase >>>> app >>>>>>>>> would >>>>>>>>>>>> be. Even PrintUI requires a healthy wait at startup (at least >>>> at >>>>>>>> home >>>>>>>>>> over >>>>>>>>>>>> DSL) and the task to perform takes "a while" so most folks won't >>>>>>>>> really >>>>>>>>>> try >>>>>>>>>>>> it to completion and get a good feel for what it can do. >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> Startup time is an important part of the new framework I'm >>>> working >>>>>>>> on >>>>>>>>> so >>>>>>>>>>>> that public-facing apps over slower connections startup >>>> reasonably >>>>>>>>>> quickly, >>>>>>>>>>>> but it I am still searching for a task that the public can >>>>>>>> accomplish >>>>>>>>>> that >>>>>>>>>>>> doesn't require money, logins, several steps, etc, but showcases >>>>>>> any >>>>>>>>>>>> advantages of Flex. >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> That said, the static screenshots and even some of these dynamic >>>>>>>> apps >>>>>>>>>> are >>>>>>>>>>>> becoming easier to do in HTML. So really, maybe developer >>>>>>>>> productivity >>>>>>>>>> is >>>>>>>>>>>> our best selling point these days? Or is it the ability to use >>>>>>>>>> structured >>>>>>>>>>>> programming? >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> Alex Harui >>>>>>>>>>>> Apache Flex Team >>>>>>>>>>>> http://blogs.adobe.com/aharui >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> -----Original Message----- >>>>>>>>>>>>> From: Harbs [mailto:harbs.li...@gmail.com] >>>>>>>>>>>>> Sent: Tuesday, February 05, 2013 8:24 AM >>>>>>>>>>>>> To: dev@flex.apache.org >>>>>>>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [PR] Getting people excited about Flex >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> Well, you can feel free to use PrintUI.com in both >>>> capacities... >>>>>>>> ;-) >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> Anyone on the dev list who has permission to showcase apps, can >>>>>>>> just >>>>>>>>>>>>> post them >>>>>>>>>>>>> here as a starting point for the list. >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> On Feb 5, 2013, at 6:11 PM, Nicholas Kwiatkowski wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> I'd love to see something like this on the website. The only >>>>>>>>> problem >>>>>>>>>>>>> was seeding the list. Heck, I couldn't even get 6 companies >>>> to >>>>>>>>> allow >>>>>>>>>>>>> us to use their logos to say that they use Apache Flex to put >>>> on >>>>>>>> our >>>>>>>>>>>>> website... >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> -Nick >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> On Tue, Feb 5, 2013 at 10:39 AM, Marcus Fritze >>>>>>>>>>>>> <marcus.fri...@googlemail.com >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>> Yes, this sounds good. I think, on the old flex.org page >>>> there >>>>>>>> was >>>>>>>>>>>>> also a showcase section. And everybody could see, what's >>>>>>> possible >>>>>>>>>> with >>>>>>>>>>>>> Flex. >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> And we should not forget the category desktop AIR apps. And >>>>>>> maybe >>>>>>>>>>>>> "categorize" these apps into topics (or tags - what does the >>>>>>>>>>>>> application). >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> Marcus Fritze >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> Am 05.02.2013 um 16:28 schrieb Harbs <harbs.li...@gmail.com >>>>> : >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> I was thinking: There's nothing quite like showing people >>>>>>>> quality >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> working applications to convince them that a technology is a >>>>>>>> viable >>>>>>>>>>>>> option for their own needs. >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> Should we have a featured page of the Flex website that has >>>> a >>>>>>>> list >>>>>>>>>>>>> of >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> featured applications? We could break it into categories of >>>> web >>>>>>>>> apps, >>>>>>>>>>>>> iOS apps and Android apps. Eventually HTML apps could join >>>> that >>>>>>>>> list. >>>>>>>>>>>>> Mobile apps are probably the most important, because no one >>>>>>> knows >>>>>>>>>>>>> what technology you used to create a mobile app... >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> What do you think? >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> Harbs >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> -- >>>>>>>> regards, >>>>>>>> Roland >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> -- >>>>>>>> Roland Zwaga >>>>>>>> Senior Consultant | Stack & Heap BVBA >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> +32 (0)486 16 12 62 | rol...@stackandheap.com | >>>>>>>> http://www.stackandheap.com >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> http://zwaga.blogspot.com >>>>>>>> http://www.springactionscript.org >>>>>>>> http://www.as3commons.org >>>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> -- >>>>>> regards, >>>>>> Roland >>>>>> >>>>>> -- >>>>>> Roland Zwaga >>>>>> Senior Consultant | Stack & Heap BVBA >>>>>> >>>>>> +32 (0)486 16 12 62 | rol...@stackandheap.com | >>>>> http://www.stackandheap.com >>>>>> >>>>>> http://zwaga.blogspot.com >>>>>> http://www.springactionscript.org >>>>>> http://www.as3commons.org >>>>> >>>>> -- >>>>> Alex Harui >>>>> Flex SDK Team >>>>> Adobe Systems, Inc. >>>>> http://blogs.adobe.com/aharui >>>>> >>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> -- >>>> regards, >>>> Roland >>>> >>>> -- >>>> Roland Zwaga >>>> Senior Consultant | Stack & Heap BVBA >>>> >>>> +32 (0)486 16 12 62 | rol...@stackandheap.com | >>>> http://www.stackandheap.com >>>> >>>> http://zwaga.blogspot.com >>>> http://www.springactionscript.org >>>> http://www.as3commons.org >>>> >>> >>> > > -- > Alex Harui > Flex SDK Team > Adobe Systems, Inc. > http://blogs.adobe.com/aharui >
