My intention wasn't to hurt anyone. As a grown up, I'm open to conversations where subject matter isn't all sunshine and lolipops without taking it personally. :) I was just giving my first impressions, which I think were legitimate since 90% of the messages coming in so far was arguing over the release process and the release manager heralding the end of the universe if we all carry on against his advice.
Anyway yes I do have genuine concerns about corporate independence. Your profile says that you work for Adobe, right? I don't see how that in itself doesn't wrap up "corporate independence" neatly and throw it out the window and down the mountain side, with respect. The only target (until a mature flex-js) is a closed source platform owned by your employer. But even then, the only complete toolset for authoring against this framework is owned and marketed as a commercial product by your employer. The website addresses this by kindly suggesting to command line everything. Well, we all know that people who used flex before are stuck with Adobe Flex IDE dependent project files, so yeah. Source code headers don't make copyright claims but rather express that the software is licensed to the apache software foundation with permission to extend that license (apache license) to end users. So yes sir, I have genuine, real questions about how on earth apache could possibly be running this project independent of adobe systems incorporated given everything I've mentioned above. Thanks. :) On Fri, Dec 5, 2014 at 12:41 PM, Bertrand Delacretaz <bdelacre...@apache.org > wrote: > On Fri, Dec 5, 2014 at 5:25 PM, Jesse Nicholson > <ascensionsyst...@gmail.com> wrote: > > ...many of the leads here seem to double as adobe > > employees... which makes me feel that this is still very heavily > controlled > > and owned by adobe for their own corporate interests.... > > I suppose you did not realize how that kind of statement is received > by people who spend lots of energy to run this foundation in a way > that keeps our projects independent from corporate influences, as well > as by people who take great care of contributing to these projects in > a way that implements this independence. > > As someone who's active on all sides of this, I am doubly hurt ;-) > > But of course if you have actual concerns about corporate > independence, feel free to report them to this PMC or to a trusted > Apache Foundation Member or Director. > > Anyway...welcome! And I'd recommend that you stay around for a bit > longer. IMO this project is currently in a crisis but there's positive > signs in the last few days that the atmosphere should get much better > soon! > > -Bertrand > -- Jesse Nicholson
