I'll stop emailing on this thread, my apologize to people for the unrelated messages that have come through.
On Fri, Dec 5, 2014 at 12:58 PM, Jesse Nicholson <ascensionsyst...@gmail.com > wrote: > My intention wasn't to hurt anyone. As a grown up, I'm open to > conversations where subject matter isn't all sunshine and lolipops without > taking it personally. :) I was just giving my first impressions, which I > think were legitimate since 90% of the messages coming in so far was > arguing over the release process and the release manager heralding the end > of the universe if we all carry on against his advice. > > Anyway yes I do have genuine concerns about corporate independence. Your > profile says that you work for Adobe, right? I don't see how that in itself > doesn't wrap up "corporate independence" neatly and throw it out the window > and down the mountain side, with respect. The only target (until a mature > flex-js) is a closed source platform owned by your employer. But even then, > the only complete toolset for authoring against this framework is owned and > marketed as a commercial product by your employer. The website addresses > this by kindly suggesting to command line everything. Well, we all know > that people who used flex before are stuck with Adobe Flex IDE dependent > project files, so yeah. Source code headers don't make copyright claims but > rather express that the software is licensed to the apache software > foundation with permission to extend that license (apache license) to end > users. So yes sir, I have genuine, real questions about how on earth apache > could possibly be running this project independent of adobe systems > incorporated given everything I've mentioned above. > > Thanks. :) > > On Fri, Dec 5, 2014 at 12:41 PM, Bertrand Delacretaz < > bdelacre...@apache.org> wrote: > >> On Fri, Dec 5, 2014 at 5:25 PM, Jesse Nicholson >> <ascensionsyst...@gmail.com> wrote: >> > ...many of the leads here seem to double as adobe >> > employees... which makes me feel that this is still very heavily >> controlled >> > and owned by adobe for their own corporate interests.... >> >> I suppose you did not realize how that kind of statement is received >> by people who spend lots of energy to run this foundation in a way >> that keeps our projects independent from corporate influences, as well >> as by people who take great care of contributing to these projects in >> a way that implements this independence. >> >> As someone who's active on all sides of this, I am doubly hurt ;-) >> >> But of course if you have actual concerns about corporate >> independence, feel free to report them to this PMC or to a trusted >> Apache Foundation Member or Director. >> >> Anyway...welcome! And I'd recommend that you stay around for a bit >> longer. IMO this project is currently in a crisis but there's positive >> signs in the last few days that the atmosphere should get much better >> soon! >> >> -Bertrand >> > > > > -- > Jesse Nicholson > -- Jesse Nicholson