I'll stop emailing on this thread, my apologize to people for the unrelated
messages that have come through.

On Fri, Dec 5, 2014 at 12:58 PM, Jesse Nicholson <ascensionsyst...@gmail.com
> wrote:

> My intention wasn't to hurt anyone. As a grown up, I'm open to
> conversations where subject matter isn't all sunshine and lolipops without
> taking it personally. :) I was just giving my first impressions, which I
> think were legitimate since 90% of the messages coming in so far was
> arguing over the release process and the release manager heralding the end
> of the universe if we all carry on against his advice.
>
> Anyway yes I do have genuine concerns about corporate independence. Your
> profile says that you work for Adobe, right? I don't see how that in itself
> doesn't wrap up "corporate independence" neatly and throw it out the window
> and down the mountain side, with respect. The only target (until a mature
> flex-js) is a closed source platform owned by your employer. But even then,
> the only complete toolset for authoring against this framework is owned and
> marketed as a commercial product by your employer. The website addresses
> this by kindly suggesting to command line everything. Well, we all know
> that people who used flex before are stuck with Adobe Flex IDE dependent
> project files, so yeah. Source code headers don't make copyright claims but
> rather express that the software is licensed to the apache software
> foundation with permission to extend that license (apache license) to end
> users. So yes sir, I have genuine, real questions about how on earth apache
> could possibly be running this project independent of adobe systems
> incorporated given everything I've mentioned above.
>
> Thanks. :)
>
> On Fri, Dec 5, 2014 at 12:41 PM, Bertrand Delacretaz <
> bdelacre...@apache.org> wrote:
>
>> On Fri, Dec 5, 2014 at 5:25 PM, Jesse Nicholson
>> <ascensionsyst...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> > ...many of the leads here seem to double as adobe
>> > employees... which makes me feel that this is still very heavily
>> controlled
>> > and owned by adobe for their own corporate interests....
>>
>> I suppose you did not realize how that kind of statement is received
>> by people who spend lots of energy to run this foundation in a way
>> that keeps our projects independent from corporate influences, as well
>> as by people who take great care of contributing to these projects in
>> a way that implements this independence.
>>
>> As someone who's active on all sides of this, I am doubly hurt ;-)
>>
>> But of course if you have actual concerns about corporate
>> independence, feel free to report them to this PMC or to a trusted
>> Apache Foundation Member or Director.
>>
>> Anyway...welcome! And I'd recommend that you stay around for a bit
>> longer. IMO this project is currently in a crisis but there's positive
>> signs in the last few days that the atmosphere should get much better
>> soon!
>>
>> -Bertrand
>>
>
>
>
> --
> Jesse Nicholson
>



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