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On Tue, Dec 9, 2014 at 6:01 PM, Jesse Nicholson <ascensionsyst...@gmail.com> wrote: > It works in Chrome as well. But that doesn't matter. It's not full blown > because it's not a complete product. Besides, its a stupid toy project > meant to demonstrate running a fast VM inside a fast VM. His post is > retarded, he's a flash developer in denial that his career path is over. > Apparently you are too? Or maybe IBM has a bunch of flex based projects > that you're here to make sure keep running? > > On Tue, Dec 9, 2014 at 5:53 PM, OmPrakash Muppirala <bigosma...@gmail.com> > wrote: > >> On Tue, Dec 9, 2014 at 2:25 PM, Jesse Nicholson < >> ascensionsyst...@gmail.com> >> wrote: >> >> > @Jude, tbh I skimmed over half of your post. >> >> >> Not cool. I think you should go back and read it because he makes a lot >> of >> sense. >> >> >> > I didn't say plugins are bad, >> > at all, ever. Did you click the links I posted here? Did you see a full >> > blown actionscript virtual machine in pure JS that emulates everything >> > flash does in the browser? >> >> >> On one browser. What about the other browsers? >> Also, it is no where near a full blown implementation. Take a look for >> yourself: >> >> https://github.com/mozilla/shumway/search?p=40&q=notImplemented&utf8=%E2%9C%93 >> https://github.com/mozilla/shumway/wiki/Big-Picture >> >> Thanks, >> Om >> >> >> >> > I'm not really sure there is anything more to >> > say after that. Just because there are 2 billion installations (if that >> > number is real) of flash, that really doesn't mean anything. There are >> > probably 100 billion installations of microsoft solitaire on windows >> > computers, that does not equal 100 billion people playing solitaire. >> > >> > At its height, Adobe estimated the flash developer community to be >> around 2 >> > million people. When I job search, I can find about 1-2 flash developer >> > jobs in all of Ontario (where I live). 5 years ago, there were pages >> upon >> > pages. With all due respect, fighting the future is what killed flash in >> > the first place. If we bring that mentality to flex, it'll die with it. >> I >> > don't want to see that happen. My comments are not to inflame or offend >> > anyone. >> > >> > On Tue, Dec 9, 2014 at 5:18 PM, jude <flexcapaci...@gmail.com> wrote: >> > >> > > Hi Jesse, >> > > Welcome to the group. You're perspective is welcome. But one thing I'm >> > sick >> > > of hearing and have to disagree with is the Flash is dead argument. If >> > it's >> > > in use it's not dead. It's used by over 2 billion people and used >> > regularly >> > > to create mobile AIR apps. The browser can't compete yet and there are >> > > still many shortcomings. Here is my response on Quora, >> > > >> > > >> > >> https://www.quora.com/Adobe-Flash/How-did-Flash-die-so-quickly/answer/Judah-Frangipane >> > > . >> > > >> > > >> > > The whole argument that plugins are bad is absurd. That's saying >> software >> > > that works with other software is bad. Plugins are one of the best >> > > advancements we have made in computer science. Being able to add >> plugins >> > to >> > > Ableton, Fruity Loops, ProTools, Photoshop, Illustrator and so on has >> > > vastly increased the capabilities and services that original software >> had >> > > to offer. Plugins have INCREASED the value of the original software. >> And >> > > browsers (gasp!) are also software that allow plugins. >> > > >> > > Without Flash and other plugins we wouldn't have had progressive and >> > > streaming video or premium content available in the browser. We >> wouldn't >> > > have chat, microphone or video camera apps in the browser. We wouldn't >> > have >> > > had animation, right to left text and international text layout. We >> > > wouldn't have hundreds of thousands of games or game developers or app >> > > developers who got started with AS3 and Flash and other plugins. And >> one >> > of >> > > the best advantages plugins have over the host software is that they >> can >> > be >> > > enabled or disabled! You have choice with a plugin where with the >> > original >> > > software you can't disable something that may be resource intensive. >> > > Without plugins we'd have apps for every single site that required >> > features >> > > the browser didn't supply or nothing at all. >> > > >> > > Flash and AIR have been improving and growing as a technology for the >> > last >> > > 10+ years. It's mind blowing that it's reaching it's stride and >> becoming >> > > one of the best platforms to develop and people are saying to throw it >> > out. >> > > What we need to do is get Adobe to invest more back into it (rather >> than >> > > doing the least amount without causing a revolt) or spin it off to >> it's >> > own >> > > company. That and reduce all the misinformation out there about >> plugins. >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > On Tue, Dec 9, 2014 at 1:35 PM, Jesse Nicholson < >> > > ascensionsyst...@gmail.com> >> > > wrote: >> > > >> > > > I forgot to mention something that I think is worth mentioning with >> > > regard >> > > > to the debate of "can pure JS/HTML do what the flash runtime can." >> To >> > > > answer that, just look at Mozilla Shumway, a full blown AVM2 virtual >> > > > machine written in pure JS. Too bad it didn't have some kind of AOT >> > > > functionality.:) >> > > > >> > > > https://github.com/mozilla/shumway >> > > > >> > > > On Tue, Dec 9, 2014 at 4:25 PM, Jesse Nicholson < >> > > > ascensionsyst...@gmail.com> >> > > > wrote: >> > > > >> > > > > Like I said I'm new here, I respect everyone, I don't mean to be >> the >> > > > > armchair expert at flex and the apache-flex community. But, >> perhaps >> > > part >> > > > of >> > > > > the issues faced here is a lack of a clear goal for the future >> and a >> > > lack >> > > > > of a clear, independent identity, as a product and a team. >> > > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > -- >> > > > Jesse Nicholson >> > > > >> > > >> > >> > >> > >> > -- >> > Jesse Nicholson >> > >> > > > > -- > Jesse Nicholson > -- Jesse Nicholson
