On Tue, Dec 9, 2014 at 3:03 PM, Jesse Nicholson <ascensionsyst...@gmail.com> wrote:
> How do I unsubscribe from the apache morticians of private corporate > interest list? > Step by step instructions are here: http://flex.apache.org/community-mailinglists.html Thanks, Om > > On Tue, Dec 9, 2014 at 6:01 PM, Jesse Nicholson < > ascensionsyst...@gmail.com> > wrote: > > > It works in Chrome as well. But that doesn't matter. It's not full blown > > because it's not a complete product. Besides, its a stupid toy project > > meant to demonstrate running a fast VM inside a fast VM. His post is > > retarded, he's a flash developer in denial that his career path is over. > > Apparently you are too? Or maybe IBM has a bunch of flex based projects > > that you're here to make sure keep running? > > > > On Tue, Dec 9, 2014 at 5:53 PM, OmPrakash Muppirala < > bigosma...@gmail.com> > > wrote: > > > >> On Tue, Dec 9, 2014 at 2:25 PM, Jesse Nicholson < > >> ascensionsyst...@gmail.com> > >> wrote: > >> > >> > @Jude, tbh I skimmed over half of your post. > >> > >> > >> Not cool. I think you should go back and read it because he makes a lot > >> of > >> sense. > >> > >> > >> > I didn't say plugins are bad, > >> > at all, ever. Did you click the links I posted here? Did you see a > full > >> > blown actionscript virtual machine in pure JS that emulates everything > >> > flash does in the browser? > >> > >> > >> On one browser. What about the other browsers? > >> Also, it is no where near a full blown implementation. Take a look for > >> yourself: > >> > >> > https://github.com/mozilla/shumway/search?p=40&q=notImplemented&utf8=%E2%9C%93 > >> https://github.com/mozilla/shumway/wiki/Big-Picture > >> > >> Thanks, > >> Om > >> > >> > >> > >> > I'm not really sure there is anything more to > >> > say after that. Just because there are 2 billion installations (if > that > >> > number is real) of flash, that really doesn't mean anything. There are > >> > probably 100 billion installations of microsoft solitaire on windows > >> > computers, that does not equal 100 billion people playing solitaire. > >> > > >> > At its height, Adobe estimated the flash developer community to be > >> around 2 > >> > million people. When I job search, I can find about 1-2 flash > developer > >> > jobs in all of Ontario (where I live). 5 years ago, there were pages > >> upon > >> > pages. With all due respect, fighting the future is what killed flash > in > >> > the first place. If we bring that mentality to flex, it'll die with > it. > >> I > >> > don't want to see that happen. My comments are not to inflame or > offend > >> > anyone. > >> > > >> > On Tue, Dec 9, 2014 at 5:18 PM, jude <flexcapaci...@gmail.com> wrote: > >> > > >> > > Hi Jesse, > >> > > Welcome to the group. You're perspective is welcome. But one thing > I'm > >> > sick > >> > > of hearing and have to disagree with is the Flash is dead argument. > If > >> > it's > >> > > in use it's not dead. It's used by over 2 billion people and used > >> > regularly > >> > > to create mobile AIR apps. The browser can't compete yet and there > are > >> > > still many shortcomings. Here is my response on Quora, > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > >> > https://www.quora.com/Adobe-Flash/How-did-Flash-die-so-quickly/answer/Judah-Frangipane > >> > > . > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > The whole argument that plugins are bad is absurd. That's saying > >> software > >> > > that works with other software is bad. Plugins are one of the best > >> > > advancements we have made in computer science. Being able to add > >> plugins > >> > to > >> > > Ableton, Fruity Loops, ProTools, Photoshop, Illustrator and so on > has > >> > > vastly increased the capabilities and services that original > software > >> had > >> > > to offer. Plugins have INCREASED the value of the original software. > >> And > >> > > browsers (gasp!) are also software that allow plugins. > >> > > > >> > > Without Flash and other plugins we wouldn't have had progressive and > >> > > streaming video or premium content available in the browser. We > >> wouldn't > >> > > have chat, microphone or video camera apps in the browser. We > wouldn't > >> > have > >> > > had animation, right to left text and international text layout. We > >> > > wouldn't have hundreds of thousands of games or game developers or > app > >> > > developers who got started with AS3 and Flash and other plugins. And > >> one > >> > of > >> > > the best advantages plugins have over the host software is that they > >> can > >> > be > >> > > enabled or disabled! You have choice with a plugin where with the > >> > original > >> > > software you can't disable something that may be resource intensive. > >> > > Without plugins we'd have apps for every single site that required > >> > features > >> > > the browser didn't supply or nothing at all. > >> > > > >> > > Flash and AIR have been improving and growing as a technology for > the > >> > last > >> > > 10+ years. It's mind blowing that it's reaching it's stride and > >> becoming > >> > > one of the best platforms to develop and people are saying to throw > it > >> > out. > >> > > What we need to do is get Adobe to invest more back into it (rather > >> than > >> > > doing the least amount without causing a revolt) or spin it off to > >> it's > >> > own > >> > > company. That and reduce all the misinformation out there about > >> plugins. > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > On Tue, Dec 9, 2014 at 1:35 PM, Jesse Nicholson < > >> > > ascensionsyst...@gmail.com> > >> > > wrote: > >> > > > >> > > > I forgot to mention something that I think is worth mentioning > with > >> > > regard > >> > > > to the debate of "can pure JS/HTML do what the flash runtime can." > >> To > >> > > > answer that, just look at Mozilla Shumway, a full blown AVM2 > virtual > >> > > > machine written in pure JS. Too bad it didn't have some kind of > AOT > >> > > > functionality.:) > >> > > > > >> > > > https://github.com/mozilla/shumway > >> > > > > >> > > > On Tue, Dec 9, 2014 at 4:25 PM, Jesse Nicholson < > >> > > > ascensionsyst...@gmail.com> > >> > > > wrote: > >> > > > > >> > > > > Like I said I'm new here, I respect everyone, I don't mean to be > >> the > >> > > > > armchair expert at flex and the apache-flex community. But, > >> perhaps > >> > > part > >> > > > of > >> > > > > the issues faced here is a lack of a clear goal for the future > >> and a > >> > > lack > >> > > > > of a clear, independent identity, as a product and a team. > >> > > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > -- > >> > > > Jesse Nicholson > >> > > > > >> > > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > -- > >> > Jesse Nicholson > >> > > >> > > > > > > > > -- > > Jesse Nicholson > > > > > > -- > Jesse Nicholson >
