Hi all,

I think implicitly we've already considered the SourceFunction and
SinkFunction as deprecated. They are even marked as so on the Flink roadmap
[1]. That also shows that connectors that are using these interfaces are
either approaching end-of-life. The fact that we're actively migrating
connectors from Source/SinkFunction to FLIP-27/FLIP-143 (plus add-on FLIPs)
shows that we've already determined that target.

With regards to the motivation of FLIP-27, I think reading up on the
original discussion thread is also worthwhile [2] to see more context.
FLIP-27 was also very important as it brought a unified connector which can
support both streaming and batch (with batch being considered a special
case of streaming in Flink's vision).

So +1 to deprecate SourceFunction. I would also argue that we should
already mark the SinkFunction as deprecated to avoid having this discussion
again in a couple of months.

Best regards,

Martijn

[1] https://flink.apache.org/roadmap.html
[2] https://lists.apache.org/thread/334co89dbhc8qpr9nvmz8t1gp4sz2c8y

Op do 9 jun. 2022 om 09:48 schreef Jing Ge <j...@ververica.com>:

> Hi,
>
> I am very happy to see opinions from different perspectives. That will help
> us understand the problem better. Thanks all for the informative
> discussion.
>
> Let's see the big picture and check following facts together:
>
> 1. FLIP-27 was intended to solve some technical issues that are very
> difficult to solve with SourceFunction[1]. When we say "SourceFunction is
> easy", well, it depends. If we take a look at the implementation of the
> Kafka connector, we will know how complicated it is to build a serious
> connector for production with the old SourceFunction. To every problem
> there is a solution and to every solution there is a problem. The fact is
> that there is no perfect but a feasible solution. If we try to solve
> complicated problems, we have to expose some complexity. Comparing to
> connectors for POC, demo, training(no offense), I would also solve issues
> for connectors like Kafka connector that are widely used in production with
> higher priority. I think that should be one reason why FLIP-27 has been
> designed and why the new source API went public.
>
> 2. FLIP-27 and the implementation was introduced roughly at the end of 2019
> and went public on 19.04.2021, which means Flink has provided two different
> public/graduated source solutions for more than one year. On the day that
> the new source API went public, there should be a consensus in the
> community that we should start the migration. Old SourceFunction interface,
> in the ideal case, should have been deprecated on that day, otherwise we
> should not graduate the new source API to avoid confusing (connector)
> developers[2].
>
> 3. It is true that the new source API is hard to understand and even hard
> to implement for simple cases. Thanks for the feedback. That is something
> we need to improve. The current design&implementation could be considered
> as the low level API. The next step is to create the high level API to
> reduce some unnecessary complexity for those simple cases. But, IMHO, this
> should not be the prerequisite to postpone the deprecation of the old
> SourceFunction APIs.
>
> 4. As long as the old SourceFunction is not marked as deprecated,
> developers will continue asking which one should be used. Let's make a
> concrete example. If a new connector is developed now and the developer
> asks for a suggestion of the choice between the old and new source API on
> the ML, which one should we suggest? I think it should be the new Source
> API. If a fresh new connector has been developed with the old
> SourceFunction API before asking for the consensus in the community and the
> developer wants to merge it to the master. Should we allow it? If the
> answer of all these questions is pointing to the new Source API, the old
> SourceFunction is de facto already deprecated, just has not been marked as
> @deprecated, which confuses developers even more.
>
>  Best regards,
> Jing
>
> [1]
>
> https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/FLINK/FLIP-27%3A+Refactor+Source+Interface
> [2] https://lists.apache.org/thread/7okp4y46n3o3rx5mn0t3qobrof8zxwqs
>
> On Wed, Jun 8, 2022 at 2:21 AM Alexander Fedulov <alexan...@ververica.com>
> wrote:
>
> > Hey Austin,
> >
> > Since we are getting deeper into the implementation details of the
> > DataGeneratorSource
> > and it is not the main topic of this thread, I propose to move our
> > discussion to where it belongs: [DISCUSS] FLIP-238 [1]. Could you please
> > briefly formulate your requirements to make it easier for the others to
> > follow? I am happy to continue this conversation there.
> >
> > [1] https://lists.apache.org/thread/7gjxto1rmkpff4kl54j8nlg5db2rqhkt
> >
> > Best,
> > Alexander Fedulov
> >
> > On Tue, Jun 7, 2022 at 6:14 PM Austin Cawley-Edwards <
> > austin.caw...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >
> > > > @Austin, in the FLIP I mentioned above [1], the user is expected to
> > > pass a MapFunction<Long,
> > > OUT>
> > > to the generator. I wonder if you could have your external client and
> > > polling logic wrapped in a custom
> > > MapFunction implementation class? Would that answer your needs or do
> you
> > > have some
> > > more sophisticated scenario in mind?
> > >
> > > At first glance, the FLIP looks good but for this case in regards to
> the
> > > map function, but leaves out 1) ability to control polling intervals
> and
> > 2)
> > > ability to produce an unknown number of records, both per-poll and
> > overall
> > > boundedness. Do you think something like this could be built from the
> > same
> > > pieces?
> > > I'm also wondering what handles threading, is that on the user or is
> that
> > > part of the DataGeneratorSource?
> > >
> > > Best,
> > > Austin
> > >
> > > On Tue, Jun 7, 2022 at 9:34 AM Alexander Fedulov <
> > alexan...@ververica.com>
> > > wrote:
> > >
> > > > Hi everyone,
> > > >
> > > > Thanks for all the input and a lively discussion. It seems that there
> > is
> > > a
> > > > consensus that due to
> > > > the inherent complexity of FLIP-27 sources we should provide more
> > > > user-facing utilities to bridge
> > > > the gap between the existing SourceFunction-based functionality and
> the
> > > new
> > > > APIs.
> > > >
> > > > To start addressing this I picked the issue that David raised and
> many
> > > > upvoted. Here is a proposal
> > > > for  the new DataGeneratorSource: FLIP-238 [1]. Please take a look, I
> > am
> > > > going to open a separate
> > > > discussion thread on it shortly.
> > > >
> > > > Jing also raised some great points regarding the interfaces and
> > > subclasses.
> > > > It seems to me that
> > > > what might actually help is some sort of a "soft deprecation" concept
> > and
> > > > annotation. It could be
> > > > used in places where we do not have an alternative implementation
> yet,
> > > but
> > > > we clearly want
> > > > to indicate that continuing to build on top of these interfaces is
> > > > discouraged. The area of
> > > > impact of deprecating all SourceFunction subclasses is rather big,
> and
> > we
> > > > can expect it to
> > > > take a while. The hope would be that if in the meantime someone finds
> > > > themselves using one of
> > > > such old APIs, the "soft deprecation" annotation will be a clear
> > > indication
> > > > and encouragement to
> > > > work on introducing an alternative FLIP-27-based implementation
> > instead.
> > > >
> > > > @Austin, in the FLIP I mentioned above [1], the user is expected to
> > > > pass a MapFunction<Long,
> > > > OUT>
> > > > to the generator. I wonder if you could have your external client and
> > > > polling logic wrapped in a custom
> > > > MapFunction implementation class? Would that answer your needs or do
> > you
> > > > have some
> > > > more sophisticated scenario in mind?
> > > >
> > > > [1] https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/x/9Av1D
> > > > Best,
> > > > Alexander Fedulov
> > > >
> > > > On Mon, Jun 6, 2022 at 7:08 PM Austin Cawley-Edwards <
> > > > austin.caw...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > > >
> > > > > Thanks for the nice discussion all.
> > > > >
> > > > > I was recently trying to implement a very simple polling source and
> > > > > would've loved a higher-level base to work from. I'm wondering if
> in
> > > > > addition to the data generator use cases, it would be good to
> > support a
> > > > > simple non-parallel polling abstraction to make it easier to, for
> > > > instance,
> > > > > start prototyping with data in existing APIs without adding a Kafka
> > or
> > > > such
> > > > > in the middle.
> > > > >
> > > > > Best,
> > > > > Austin
> > > > >
> > > > > On Mon, Jun 6, 2022 at 10:02 AM tison <wander4...@gmail.com>
> wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > > Well. It's a bit off-topic. For deprecating SourceFunction as
> > FLIP-27
> > > > > > series works go ahead, +1 from my side. It's a significant work
> > > towards
> > > > > the
> > > > > > unification of batch and streaming effort :)
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Best,
> > > > > > tison.
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > tison <wander4...@gmail.com> 于2022年6月6日周一 21:54写道:
> > > > > >
> > > > > > > The starting point of the version bump and removal question is
> > that
> > > > > > > downstream projects may experience a tough time to adapt new
> > > > interfaces
> > > > > > > while Flink keeps in 1.x versions so that users may expect it
> as
> > an
> > > > > easy
> > > > > > > task. From my experience, it's really challenge to maintain
> > > > > > > compatibility between multiple versions of Flink while
> > significant
> > > > > > changes
> > > > > > > made but sharing 1.x version series - users may not be aware
> that
> > > > it's
> > > > > > > almost a major version bump.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Best,
> > > > > > > tison.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > tison <wander4...@gmail.com> 于2022年6月6日周一 21:51写道:
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >> One question from my side:
> > > > > > >>
> > > > > > >> As SourceFunction a @Public interface, we cannot remove it
> > before
> > > > > doing
> > > > > > >> a major version bump (Flink 2.0).
> > > > > > >>
> > > > > > >> Of course it's not a blocker to make such deprecation and let
> > the
> > > > new
> > > > > > >> interface step in. My question is whether we have a plan to
> > > finally
> > > > > > remove
> > > > > > >> the deprecated interfaces, or postpone it until a clear plan
> of
> > > > Flink
> > > > > > 2.0?
> > > > > > >>
> > > > > > >> Best,
> > > > > > >> tison.
> > > > > > >>
> > > > > > >>
> > > > > > >> David Anderson <dander...@apache.org> 于2022年6月6日周一 21:35写道:
> > > > > > >>
> > > > > > >>> >
> > > > > > >>> > David, can you elaborate why you need watermark generation
> in
> > > the
> > > > > > >>> source
> > > > > > >>> > for your data generators?
> > > > > > >>>
> > > > > > >>>
> > > > > > >>> The training exercises should strive to provide examples of
> > best
> > > > > > >>> practices.
> > > > > > >>> If the exercises and their solutions use
> > > > > > >>>
> > > > > > >>> env.fromSource(source, WatermarkStrategy.noWatermarks(),
> > > > > > >>> "name-of-source")
> > > > > > >>>   .map(...)
> > > > > > >>>   .assignTimestampsAndWatermarks(...)
> > > > > > >>>
> > > > > > >>> this will help establish this anti-pattern as the normal way
> of
> > > > doing
> > > > > > >>> things.
> > > > > > >>>
> > > > > > >>> Most new Flink users are using a KafkaSource with a
> > noWatermarks
> > > > > > strategy
> > > > > > >>> and a SimpleStringSchema, followed by a map that does the
> real
> > > > > > >>> deserialization, followed by the real watermarking -- because
> > > they
> > > > > > aren't
> > > > > > >>> seeing examples that teach how these interfaces are meant to
> be
> > > > used.
> > > > > > >>>
> > > > > > >>> When we redo the sources used in training exercises, I want
> to
> > > > avoid
> > > > > > >>> these
> > > > > > >>> pitfalls.
> > > > > > >>>
> > > > > > >>> David
> > > > > > >>>
> > > > > > >>> On Mon, Jun 6, 2022 at 9:12 AM Konstantin Knauf <
> > > kna...@apache.org
> > > > >
> > > > > > >>> wrote:
> > > > > > >>>
> > > > > > >>> > Hi everyone,
> > > > > > >>> >
> > > > > > >>> > very interesting thread. The proposal for deprecation seems
> > to
> > > > have
> > > > > > >>> sparked
> > > > > > >>> > a very important discussion. Do we what users struggle with
> > > > > > >>> specifically?
> > > > > > >>> >
> > > > > > >>> > Speaking for myself, when I upgrade flink-faker to the new
> > > Source
> > > > > API
> > > > > > >>> an
> > > > > > >>> > unbounded version of the NumberSequenceSource would have
> been
> > > > all I
> > > > > > >>> needed,
> > > > > > >>> > but that's just the data generator use case. I think, that
> > one
> > > > > could
> > > > > > be
> > > > > > >>> > solved quite easily. David, can you elaborate why you need
> > > > > watermark
> > > > > > >>> > generation in the source for your data generators?
> > > > > > >>> >
> > > > > > >>> > Cheers,
> > > > > > >>> >
> > > > > > >>> > Konstantin
> > > > > > >>> >
> > > > > > >>> >
> > > > > > >>> >
> > > > > > >>> >
> > > > > > >>> >
> > > > > > >>> > Am So., 5. Juni 2022 um 17:48 Uhr schrieb Piotr Nowojski <
> > > > > > >>> > pnowoj...@apache.org>:
> > > > > > >>> >
> > > > > > >>> > > Also +1 to what David has written. But it doesn't mean we
> > > > should
> > > > > be
> > > > > > >>> > waiting
> > > > > > >>> > > indefinitely to deprecate SourceFunction.
> > > > > > >>> > >
> > > > > > >>> > > Best,
> > > > > > >>> > > Piotrek
> > > > > > >>> > >
> > > > > > >>> > > niedz., 5 cze 2022 o 16:46 Jark Wu <imj...@gmail.com>
> > > > > napisał(a):
> > > > > > >>> > >
> > > > > > >>> > > > +1 to David's point.
> > > > > > >>> > > >
> > > > > > >>> > > > Usually, when we deprecate some interfaces, we should
> > point
> > > > > users
> > > > > > >>> to
> > > > > > >>> > use
> > > > > > >>> > > > the recommended alternatives.
> > > > > > >>> > > > However, implementing the new Source interface for some
> > > > simple
> > > > > > >>> > scenarios
> > > > > > >>> > > is
> > > > > > >>> > > > too challenging and complex.
> > > > > > >>> > > > We also found it isn't easy to push the internal
> > connector
> > > to
> > > > > > >>> upgrade
> > > > > > >>> > to
> > > > > > >>> > > > the new Source because
> > > > > > >>> > > > "FLIP-27 are hard to understand, while SourceFunction
> is
> > > > easy".
> > > > > > >>> > > >
> > > > > > >>> > > > +1 to make implementing a simple Source easier before
> > > > > deprecating
> > > > > > >>> > > > SourceFunction.
> > > > > > >>> > > >
> > > > > > >>> > > > Best,
> > > > > > >>> > > > Jark
> > > > > > >>> > > >
> > > > > > >>> > > >
> > > > > > >>> > > > On Sun, 5 Jun 2022 at 07:29, Jingsong Lee <
> > > > > > lzljs3620...@apache.org
> > > > > > >>> >
> > > > > > >>> > > wrote:
> > > > > > >>> > > >
> > > > > > >>> > > > > +1 to David and Ingo.
> > > > > > >>> > > > >
> > > > > > >>> > > > > Before deprecate and remove SourceFunction, we should
> > > have
> > > > > some
> > > > > > >>> > easier
> > > > > > >>> > > > APIs
> > > > > > >>> > > > > to wrap new Source, the cost to write a new Source is
> > too
> > > > > high
> > > > > > >>> now.
> > > > > > >>> > > > >
> > > > > > >>> > > > >
> > > > > > >>> > > > >
> > > > > > >>> > > > > Ingo Bürk <airbla...@apache.org>于2022年6月5日
> 周日05:32写道:
> > > > > > >>> > > > >
> > > > > > >>> > > > > > I +1 everything David said. The new Source API
> raised
> > > the
> > > > > > >>> > complexity
> > > > > > >>> > > > > > significantly. It's great to have such a rich,
> > powerful
> > > > API
> > > > > > >>> that
> > > > > > >>> > can
> > > > > > >>> > > do
> > > > > > >>> > > > > > everything, but in the process we lost the ability
> to
> > > > > onboard
> > > > > > >>> > people
> > > > > > >>> > > to
> > > > > > >>> > > > > > the APIs.
> > > > > > >>> > > > > >
> > > > > > >>> > > > > >
> > > > > > >>> > > > > > Best
> > > > > > >>> > > > > > Ingo
> > > > > > >>> > > > > >
> > > > > > >>> > > > > > On 04.06.22 21:21, David Anderson wrote:
> > > > > > >>> > > > > > > I'm in favor of this, but I think we need to make
> > it
> > > > > easier
> > > > > > >>> to
> > > > > > >>> > > > > implement
> > > > > > >>> > > > > > > data generators and test sources. As things stand
> > in
> > > > > 1.15,
> > > > > > >>> unless
> > > > > > >>> > > you
> > > > > > >>> > > > > can
> > > > > > >>> > > > > > > be satisfied with using a NumberSequenceSource
> > > followed
> > > > > by
> > > > > > a
> > > > > > >>> map,
> > > > > > >>> > > > > things
> > > > > > >>> > > > > > > get quite complicated. I looked into reworking
> the
> > > data
> > > > > > >>> > generators
> > > > > > >>> > > > used
> > > > > > >>> > > > > > in
> > > > > > >>> > > > > > > the training exercises, and got discouraged by
> the
> > > > amount
> > > > > > of
> > > > > > >>> work
> > > > > > >>> > > > > > involved.
> > > > > > >>> > > > > > > (The sources used in the training want to be
> > > unbounded,
> > > > > and
> > > > > > >>> need
> > > > > > >>> > > > > > > watermarking in the sources, which means that
> using
> > > > > > >>> > > > > NumberSequenceSource
> > > > > > >>> > > > > > > isn't an option.)
> > > > > > >>> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >>> > > > > > > I think the proposed deprecation will be better
> > > > received
> > > > > if
> > > > > > >>> it
> > > > > > >>> > can
> > > > > > >>> > > be
> > > > > > >>> > > > > > > accompanied by something that makes implementing
> a
> > > > simple
> > > > > > >>> Source
> > > > > > >>> > > > easier
> > > > > > >>> > > > > > > than it is now. People are continuing to
> implement
> > > new
> > > > > > >>> > > > SourceFunctions
> > > > > > >>> > > > > > > because the interfaces defined by FLIP-27 are
> hard
> > to
> > > > > > >>> understand,
> > > > > > >>> > > > while
> > > > > > >>> > > > > > > SourceFunction is easy. Alex, I believe you were
> > > > looking
> > > > > > into
> > > > > > >>> > > > > > implementing
> > > > > > >>> > > > > > > an easier-to-use building block that could be
> used
> > in
> > > > > > >>> situations
> > > > > > >>> > > like
> > > > > > >>> > > > > > this.
> > > > > > >>> > > > > > > Can we get something like that in place first?
> > > > > > >>> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >>> > > > > > > David
> > > > > > >>> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >>> > > > > > > On Fri, Jun 3, 2022 at 4:52 PM Jing Ge <
> > > > > j...@ververica.com
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >>> > wrote:
> > > > > > >>> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >>> > > > > > >> Hi,
> > > > > > >>> > > > > > >>
> > > > > > >>> > > > > > >> Thanks Alex for driving this!
> > > > > > >>> > > > > > >>
> > > > > > >>> > > > > > >> +1 To give the Flink developers, especially
> > > Connector
> > > > > > >>> developers
> > > > > > >>> > > the
> > > > > > >>> > > > > > clear
> > > > > > >>> > > > > > >> signal that the new Source API is recommended
> > > > according
> > > > > to
> > > > > > >>> > > FLIP-27,
> > > > > > >>> > > > we
> > > > > > >>> > > > > > >> should mark them as deprecated.
> > > > > > >>> > > > > > >>
> > > > > > >>> > > > > > >> There are some open questions to discuss:
> > > > > > >>> > > > > > >>
> > > > > > >>> > > > > > >> 1. Do we need to mark all
> subinterfaces/subclasses
> > > as
> > > > > > >>> > deprecated?
> > > > > > >>> > > > e.g.
> > > > > > >>> > > > > > >> FromElementsFunction, etc. there are many. What
> > are
> > > > the
> > > > > > >>> > > > replacements?
> > > > > > >>> > > > > > >> 2. Do we need to mark all subclasses that have
> > > > > replacement
> > > > > > >>> as
> > > > > > >>> > > > > > deprecated?
> > > > > > >>> > > > > > >> e.g. ExternallyInducedSource whose replacement
> > > class,
> > > > > if I
> > > > > > >>> am
> > > > > > >>> > not
> > > > > > >>> > > > > > mistaken,
> > > > > > >>> > > > > > >> ExternallyInducedSourceReader is @Experimental
> > > > > > >>> > > > > > >> 3. Do we need to mark all related test utility
> > > classes
> > > > > as
> > > > > > >>> > > > deprecated?
> > > > > > >>> > > > > > >>
> > > > > > >>> > > > > > >> I think it might make sense to create an
> umbrella
> > > > ticket
> > > > > > to
> > > > > > >>> > cover
> > > > > > >>> > > > all
> > > > > > >>> > > > > of
> > > > > > >>> > > > > > >> these with the following process:
> > > > > > >>> > > > > > >>
> > > > > > >>> > > > > > >> 1. Mark SourceFunction as deprecated asap.
> > > > > > >>> > > > > > >> 2. Mark subinterfaces and subclasses as
> > deprecated,
> > > if
> > > > > > >>> there are
> > > > > > >>> > > > > > graduated
> > > > > > >>> > > > > > >> replacements. Good example is that KafkaSource
> > > > replaced
> > > > > > >>> > > > KafkaConsumer
> > > > > > >>> > > > > > which
> > > > > > >>> > > > > > >> has been marked as deprecated.
> > > > > > >>> > > > > > >> 3. Do not mark subinterfaces and subclasses as
> > > > > deprecated,
> > > > > > >>> if
> > > > > > >>> > > > > > replacement
> > > > > > >>> > > > > > >> classes are still experimental, check if it is
> > time
> > > to
> > > > > > >>> graduate
> > > > > > >>> > > > them.
> > > > > > >>> > > > > > After
> > > > > > >>> > > > > > >> graduation, go to step 2. It might take a while
> > for
> > > > > > >>> graduation.
> > > > > > >>> > > > > > >> 4. Do not mark subinterfaces and subclasses as
> > > > > deprecated,
> > > > > > >>> if
> > > > > > >>> > the
> > > > > > >>> > > > > > >> replacement classes are experimental and are too
> > > young
> > > > > to
> > > > > > >>> > > graduate.
> > > > > > >>> > > > We
> > > > > > >>> > > > > > have
> > > > > > >>> > > > > > >> to wait. But in this case we could create new
> > > tickets
> > > > > > under
> > > > > > >>> the
> > > > > > >>> > > > > umbrella
> > > > > > >>> > > > > > >> ticket.
> > > > > > >>> > > > > > >> 5. Do not mark subinterfaces and subclasses as
> > > > > deprecated,
> > > > > > >>> if
> > > > > > >>> > > there
> > > > > > >>> > > > is
> > > > > > >>> > > > > > no
> > > > > > >>> > > > > > >> replacement at all. We have to create new
> tickets
> > > and
> > > > > wait
> > > > > > >>> until
> > > > > > >>> > > the
> > > > > > >>> > > > > new
> > > > > > >>> > > > > > >> implementation has been done and graduated. It
> > will
> > > > > take a
> > > > > > >>> > longer
> > > > > > >>> > > > > time,
> > > > > > >>> > > > > > >> roughly 1,5 years.
> > > > > > >>> > > > > > >> 6. For test classes, we could follow the same
> > rule.
> > > > But
> > > > > I
> > > > > > >>> think
> > > > > > >>> > > for
> > > > > > >>> > > > > some
> > > > > > >>> > > > > > >> cases, we could consider doing the replacement
> > > > directly
> > > > > > >>> without
> > > > > > >>> > > > going
> > > > > > >>> > > > > > >> through the deprecation phase.
> > > > > > >>> > > > > > >>
> > > > > > >>> > > > > > >> When we look back on all of these, we can
> realize
> > it
> > > > is
> > > > > a
> > > > > > >>> big
> > > > > > >>> > epic
> > > > > > >>> > > > > (even
> > > > > > >>> > > > > > >> bigger than an epic). It needs someone to drive
> it
> > > and
> > > > > > keep
> > > > > > >>> > focus
> > > > > > >>> > > on
> > > > > > >>> > > > > it
> > > > > > >>> > > > > > >> continuously with support from the community and
> > > push
> > > > > the
> > > > > > >>> > > > development
> > > > > > >>> > > > > > >> towards the new Source API of FLIP-27.
> > > > > > >>> > > > > > >>
> > > > > > >>> > > > > > >> If we could have consensus for this,  Alex and I
> > > could
> > > > > > >>> create
> > > > > > >>> > the
> > > > > > >>> > > > > > umbrella
> > > > > > >>> > > > > > >> ticket to kick it off.
> > > > > > >>> > > > > > >>
> > > > > > >>> > > > > > >> Best regards,
> > > > > > >>> > > > > > >> Jing
> > > > > > >>> > > > > > >>
> > > > > > >>> > > > > > >>
> > > > > > >>> > > > > > >> On Fri, Jun 3, 2022 at 3:54 PM Alexander
> Fedulov <
> > > > > > >>> > > > > > alexan...@ververica.com>
> > > > > > >>> > > > > > >> wrote:
> > > > > > >>> > > > > > >>
> > > > > > >>> > > > > > >>> Hi everyone,
> > > > > > >>> > > > > > >>>
> > > > > > >>> > > > > > >>> I would like to start the discussion about
> > marking
> > > > > > >>> > > > > SourceFunction-based
> > > > > > >>> > > > > > >>> interfaces as deprecated. With the FLIP-27 APIs
> > > > > becoming
> > > > > > >>> the
> > > > > > >>> > new
> > > > > > >>> > > > > > >> standard,
> > > > > > >>> > > > > > >>> the old ones have to be eventually phased out.
> > > > Although
> > > > > > >>> this
> > > > > > >>> > > state
> > > > > > >>> > > > is
> > > > > > >>> > > > > > >> well
> > > > > > >>> > > > > > >>> known within the community and no new
> connectors
> > > > based
> > > > > on
> > > > > > >>> the
> > > > > > >>> > old
> > > > > > >>> > > > > > >>> interfaces can be accepted into the project,
> the
> > > > > > footprint
> > > > > > >>> of
> > > > > > >>> > > > > > >>> SourceFunction in the user code still keeps
> > growing
> > > > > > >>> (primarily
> > > > > > >>> > > for
> > > > > > >>> > > > > data
> > > > > > >>> > > > > > >>> generators and test utilities). I believe it is
> > > best
> > > > to
> > > > > > >>> mark
> > > > > > >>> > > > > > >> SourceFunction
> > > > > > >>> > > > > > >>> as deprecated as soon as possible. What do you
> > > think?
> > > > > > >>> > > > > > >>>
> > > > > > >>> > > > > > >>> Best,
> > > > > > >>> > > > > > >>> Alexander Fedulov
> > > > > > >>> > > > > > >>>
> > > > > > >>> > > > > > >>
> > > > > > >>> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >>> > > > > >
> > > > > > >>> > > > >
> > > > > > >>> > > >
> > > > > > >>> > >
> > > > > > >>> >
> > > > > > >>> >
> > > > > > >>> > --
> > > > > > >>> > https://twitter.com/snntrable
> > > > > > >>> > https://github.com/knaufk
> > > > > > >>> >
> > > > > > >>>
> > > > > > >>
> > > > > >
> > > > >
> > > >
> > >
> >
>

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