I replied this thread first because the original will take me some time to answer. ;-)
On Wed, 2005-04-13 at 22:52 +0100, Ross Gardler wrote: > Shaun Evans wrote: > > Hi all, > > I haven't been a very good dev and haven't posted since last November, > > but I have monitored the progress of leather-dev and it's implementation > > of the scale-dev css. > > Welcome back :-)) > Yeah, a very warm welcome back and I hope you will stay a little bit longer because we need designer like you here in the project! ;-) > > but the person who maintains the documentation > > refused to use it because he hated all of the included skins. While I > > don't mean to bash the existing skins, pelt is buggy (particularly in > > IE), tigris is not visually desirable, plain is... well, plain, and > > leather(-dev) is quite frankly unsuitable for release at this time. > > Forrest only supports one skin, that is whatever is currently the > default skin. We decided some time ago that it was not possible for us > to maintain multiple skins. Instead we provided a skin packaging system > that makes it easy for other projects to create their own skins and, > hopefully, release them as open source for the use of other projects. > > The idea was/is to build up a library of skins for use. > > Unfortunately, we have not done a very good job of publicising the fact > that it is easy for people to build their own skins and package them as > downloadable units independent of Forrest itself. This is something we > need to rectify. > Actually the discussion with Nicola showed me that I may have not carefully enough looked in this potential. I guess that I will have to take that guild on my account and I am deeply sorry if I have offended anyone by that!!! > Maybe then it would be easier for people like yourself and the docs > manager of the project you mention to adopt Forrest. However, we need > help to do all this, so once again, welcome back ;-) :) yeah Ross, well said!!! > > I > > attempted to rectify the problem with scale-dev, but the skin itself > > caused a huge number of problems, particularly the lack of compatibility > > with leather. I therefore propose a change in the way in which skins are > > produced. > > We are in the middle of putting together the 0.7 release. So now is not > a good time to get the undivided attention of most devs on new features. > However, there is a proposal, led by Thorsten, to create a whole new > skin management system for 0.8. Thorsten has already prototyped the > system (see the view plugin). > > I recommend you check the dev mail list archives, key search terms are > "fbits", "views" and "skinconfig". > > This proposal has come about because of the problems you identify with > leather-dev (in fact leather-dev has been dropped in favour of the new > views). > > Only a couple of days ago Thorsten posted a proposal for a new > skinconfig system that is based on this work. > > I've not read the rest of your mail. Partly because I don't want to get > drawn away from 0.7 release (as if I've got much done on it yet!) and > partly because I haven't read Thorstens proposal yet so don't know how > much overlap there is or even if you have read that proposal. > > Perhaps you can can comment on Thorstens proposal and the resulting > thread and bring your thoughts into that - see > http://marc.theaimsgroup.com/?t=111314762500001&r=1&w=2 - I suspect > you'll get plenty of mileage out of Thorsten on your thoughts as he is > active on this part of Forrest right now. Actually it was because of you, Shaun, why I stopped the work on leather! I understood that the approach I had in mind are not suitable for web designer to work with because absolute positioning is pain in the a***. Please have a look on the view and viewHelper plugin because that is the solution I came up with for web designer like you. I actually used the scale dev to implement the presentation layer (you are right that it took me quite a while, but better late then never ;-)) I will answer your, Shaun, original thread in more detail tomorrow, and I hope that you can provide helpful views from a real web designer. Welcome back and I hope you will stay!!! ;-) salu2 -- thorsten "Together we stand, divided we fall!" Hey you (Pink Floyd)
