Ross Gardler wrote:

I completely agree that no design discussion should be carried out on anthing other than EMail.

I agree that we should frown upon the use of any communication that is not carried out via email, but do not agree that it is possible to always follow that rule.

When we meet at ApacheCon will we have to sit in silence and communicate via IRC because some community memebers will not be present? (obvioulsy you are not suggesting this, I'm merely trying to illustrate that sometimes rules have to be broken)

I will not vote against the creation of an IRC channel (as long as the bot is in place), but I do not want anyone to think that a lack of a vote against implies that I think it is a good idea, it only means that it *may* be useful one day, just as Skype is useful sometimes too.

some experience from lenya: the irc channel is more a watering hole where people lurk and banter than have design decisions.

it has helped community members to know each other better. i do not think it poses a danger of fragmentation.

i actually would be happier if the cocoon and lenya channels would merge (the traffic is not very high ,and the cross-pollination would be good). same for forrest

as for skype, i have used it in one on one situations to get a fellow dev set up with eclipse, for instance. i do not think it is useful for groups.

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