On Tue, Jul 4, 2017 at 11:04 AM, Daniel Dekany <[email protected]> wrote:
> Done, now we are just using
>
>   private static final Logger LOG = 
> LoggerFactory.getLogger(TheClassYouAreIn.class);
>
> everywhere.

Cool! Thanks!

Woonsan

>
>
> Monday, June 19, 2017, 4:04:20 PM, Woonsan Ko wrote:
>
>> On Mon, Jun 19, 2017 at 6:50 AM, Daniel Dekany <[email protected]> wrote:
>>> Monday, June 19, 2017, 7:03:33 AM, Woonsan Ko wrote:
>>>
>>>> On Sat, Jun 3, 2017 at 9:50 AM, Daniel Dekany <[email protected]> wrote:
>>>>> I have created two issues for this. For the non-Web-MVC part:
>>>>> https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/FREEMARKER-54
>>>>
>>>> I've opened new PR today.
>>>> In addition to the features described in the JIRA ticket, some minor were 
>>>> added:
>>>> - VersionEditor was added in core as Spring allows to set a Version
>>>> property value through a string instead by the PropertyEditor. This is
>>>> convenient in XML bean settings.
>>>> - baseLocation property was added (null by default) in
>>>> SpringResourceTemplateLoader for convenience. If set, baseLocation is
>>>> always prepended to the given template name. For example, when
>>>> baseLocation is set to "classpath:META-INF/templates/", a template by
>>>> name, "foo.ftl", is resolved to
>>>> "classpath:META-INF/templates/foo.ftl". If baseLocation property is
>>>> null, template name must be given as fully qualified resource name
>>>> (e.g, "classpath:META-INF/templates/foo.ftl").
>>>
>>> Thanks, merged!
>>>
>>> As of logging, I realize just now that we got policy discrepancies
>>> there. What we have now is just FM2 heritage. There we have manually
>>> predefined (and document) log categories; we don't use the class name
>>> of the issuer class. But, FM2 wasn't modular, so it tells nothing
>>> about that. So, what's the more important aspect of
>>> SpringResourceTemplateLoader, for log filtering purposes? That it's in
>>> the freemarker-spring module, or that it's template resolution
>>> related? If the last, then after all your first commit was right to
>>> use the _CoreLogs.TEMPLATE_RESOLVER log category. Or rather, the value
>>> of _SpringLogs.TEMPLATE_RESOLVER should start with
>>> _CoreLogs.TEMPLATE_RESOLVER + ".". But don't change anything for
>>> now... we have no policy for these yet.
>>>
>>> Now, we can find out all kind of logging category policies, but a 3rd
>>> party TemplateLoader certainly won't adhere to that (and BTW that
>>> would require making log category names part of the published API),
>>> and just does what pretty much all Java software nowadays does: use
>>> the class name of the issuer as the log category. So you will miss the
>>> log statements from the 3rd party TemplateLoader if you count on the
>>> category starting with "org.apache.freemarker.templateresolver". So it
>>> can't be counted on anyway. Thus even though FM2 categories are
>>> superior in theory, I thin we should give that up and go with the
>>> flow. It's also easier on contributors.
>>>
>>> What do you think?
>>
>> IMHO, it should be a lot easier for contributors to follow the most
>> popular convention: "use FQCN of the issuer as the log category".
>> It might be a little bit disadvantageous than FM2's well-organized
>> category grouping, but using the most popular convention might be more
>> helpful in maintenance and participation. Also, we can improve the
>> modularity (e.g, package structure) as a compensation, I guess.
>>
>> Regards,
>>
>> Woonsan
>>
>>>
>>> (As far as we stick to the old ways, instead of _SpringLogs.CORE I
>>> would prefer _SpringLogs.ROOT, because CORE is somewhat reminiscent of
>>> freemarker-core.)
>>>
>>>> Please review the PR, and please let me know if there's anything missed.
>>>> I'll move on to FREEMARKER-55 very soon.
>>>>
>>>> Cheers,
>>>>
>>>> Woonsan
>>>>
>>>>> and the Web MVC part that builds on the first:
>>>>> https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/FREEMARKER-55
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Friday, June 2, 2017, 4:56:38 PM, Woonsan Ko wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> On Fri, Jun 2, 2017 at 5:05 AM, Daniel Dekany <[email protected]> wrote:
>>>>>>> Thursday, June 1, 2017, 5:09:07 PM, Woonsan Ko wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> On Wed, May 31, 2017 at 6:39 PM, Daniel Dekany <[email protected]> 
>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>> Wednesday, May 31, 2017, 6:09:32 PM, Woonsan Ko wrote:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> On Tue, May 30, 2017 at 11:38 AM, Daniel Dekany <[email protected]> 
>>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>> Tuesday, May 30, 2017, 5:02:43 PM, Woonsan Ko wrote:
>>>>>>>>>> <snip>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Speaking of which, soon there will be one. Anyone is interested 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> in FM3
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Spring integration? The goal is that FM3's builder-based 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> configuration
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> can be used seamlessly for creating the Spring beans. So 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> certainly a
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> freemarker-spring module need to be added, which extends some 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> classes
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> to implement FactoryBean interface and such. Also some 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> configuration
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> defaults, like the TemplateLoader need to be different for 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> sure, and
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> we need a TemplateLoader that uses Spring's Resource API. (I 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> will
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> create an issue for it after I have polished the configuration 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> API a
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> bit more.)
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Yes, I am interested in FM3 spring integration.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> One question is, are we going to replace spring framework's 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> default
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> freemarker view support [1] by freemarker-spring in FM3?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> That would be the idea. And that will be the only possibility at 
>>>>>>>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>>>>>>>> beginning, as they only have FM2 support (and I guess 
>>>>>>>>>>>>> contributing to
>>>>>>>>>>>>> ASF/FM makes more sense than contributing to them).
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> OK, got it.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Anyway, I'll happily help with this as soon as you create an 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> issue.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Great! That will happen in a few days.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> I will try to list features of spring framework support for
>>>>>>>>>>>> compatibility and other possible new features and improvements 
>>>>>>>>>>>> first.
>>>>>>>>>>>> And, I'll try to discuss those items here soon.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Sounds good.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> I've reviewed spring online documentation and tried to list all the
>>>>>>>>>> features currently supported. We'll probably need to provide
>>>>>>>>>> compatible solutions or alternatives for FM3. I added some notes on
>>>>>>>>>> some items, too. Prioritization wasn't considered yet.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> -----
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> 1. Configuration support
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> 1.1. Generic Configuration Factory bean support (that can be used for
>>>>>>>>>> non web-apps)
>>>>>>>>>>   - FreeMarkerConfigurationFactoryBean
>>>>>>>>>>   - Note: perhaps the builder should be used internally inside the 
>>>>>>>>>> factory bean?
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> The FactoryBean should extend Configuration.ExtenableBuilder. So it's
>>>>>>>>> not even some internal stuff; ExtenableBuilder is public and was added
>>>>>>>>> for things like this.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> 1.2. Web MVC Configurer bean support
>>>>>>>>>>   - FreeMarkerConfigurer
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Ah that... whole thing. It's really confusing. It starts there that
>>>>>>>>> it's hard to grasp for the user what a FreeMarkerConfigurer really is.
>>>>>>>>> Because, we already have Configuration, and even a Spring-specific
>>>>>>>>> class, FreeMarkerConfigurationFactoryBean that creates that. To
>>>>>>>>> configure FreeMarker you need a Configuration, so a Configuration is
>>>>>>>>> the real "FreeMarker configurer". But the "FreeMarkerConfigurer" name
>>>>>>>>> suggests the same ("I configure FreeMarker"). So how is it different?
>>>>>>>>> To make it more confusing, it's basically
>>>>>>>>> FreeMarkerConfigurationFactoryBean (which is just a Configuration
>>>>>>>>> Builder) with a few quirks:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> - It's technically not a FactoryBean. So instead of relying on Spring 
>>>>>>>>> IoC
>>>>>>>>>   injection as usual, the dependent bean (FreeMarkerViewResolver
>>>>>>>>>   usually) has to call getConfiguration() on it.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> - getConfiguration() might returns a Configuration that wasn't built 
>>>>>>>>> by
>>>>>>>>>   the FreeMarkerConfigurer! If you call 
>>>>>>>>> setConfiguration(Configuration),
>>>>>>>>>   then that Configuration will be returned, and things you set on
>>>>>>>>>   FreeMarkerConfigurer (which is a Configuration Builder) doesn't
>>>>>>>>>   mater. Anyway, you would (or just I would?) think that if you want
>>>>>>>>>   the Web View stuff to use a specific Configuration, then you just 
>>>>>>>>> inject
>>>>>>>>>   that Configuration bean into FreeMarkerViewResolver. But no, because
>>>>>>>>>   FreeMarkerViewResolver needs a FreeMarkerConfigurer. In fact,
>>>>>>>>>   FreeMarkerViewResolver doesn't need that directly. Instead, it just
>>>>>>>>>   specifies a class, FreeMarkerView, which in turn "manually" looks up
>>>>>>>>>   the FreeMarkerConfigurer bean with BeanFactoryUtils.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> - It provides a TaglibFactory object as well. I have to give that to
>>>>>>>>>   it, as that's at least something that Configuration doesn't do. But
>>>>>>>>>   if that will be the only obstacle of getting rid of
>>>>>>>>>   FreeMarkerConfigurer, then we stuff that into the Configuration,
>>>>>>>>>   like as a custom attribute (custom setting, if I have renamed it as
>>>>>>>>>   discussed), and as a real JavaBean property in our ExtenableBuilder
>>>>>>>>>   subclass.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> BTW Velocity support have the same hard to follow logic. Maybe it's
>>>>>>>>> necessary, I don't know. Still, I wonder if we can make it more
>>>>>>>>> elegant and less confusing for users. (Is it nicer with Thymeleaf for
>>>>>>>>> example?) What I'm hoping for is that we can just use a Configuration
>>>>>>>>> bean instead, and FreeMarkerView looks that up. The tricky part is how
>>>>>>>>> to differentiate that bean from the other Configuration beans. The
>>>>>>>>> natural solution is using a "web" qualifier, which is easy to follow
>>>>>>>>> for the user as well (no magic, it's obvious how it works). But some
>>>>>>>>> may feel it's not very stream lined (because I believe we can't
>>>>>>>>> transparently make a bean qualified, so the user has to add it to its
>>>>>>>>> configuration). So another possibility is subclassing Configuration,
>>>>>>>>> so then we first look for a WebConfiguration (and then of course we
>>>>>>>>> will also need a FreeMarkerWebConfigurationFactoryBean - note the
>>>>>>>>> "Web" in it), and only if that's not found we look for "web" qualified
>>>>>>>>> Configuration. But maybe all this is too different from Spring
>>>>>>>>> tradition... I'm just thinking aloud.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> I will look into it further. But in general, the current
>>>>>>>> FreeMarkerConfigurer based configuration looks confusing to me, and as
>>>>>>>> you pointed out it's not even a FactoryBean and it's found out by the
>>>>>>>> view resolver, etc. I feel like it could be neater. Let me investigate
>>>>>>>> other things further and come back.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> BTW, I believe e-mail generation and other miscellaneous FreeMarker
>>>>>>>>> applications (report generation, etc.) will be at least as important
>>>>>>>>> as web pages nowadays.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> +1
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>  and FreeMarkerViewResolver (basically extending 
>>>>>>>>>> UrlBasedViewResolver)
>>>>>>>>>>   - Note: the view resolver finds out the configurer bean by type by
>>>>>>>>>> default.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Well, if we stick to the approach with FreeMarkerConfigurer and all
>>>>>>>>> that, the it's good enough. Otherwise see above.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Seems good enough for normal web application to me. Same
>>>>>>>>>> pattern in the configurer by using builder internally?
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> (The builders aren't meant to be internal, but it's the same as
>>>>>>>>> earlier.)
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> 1.3. Annotation / XML Schema based configuration support
>>>>>>>>>> (FreeMarkerConfigurer type bean)
>>>>>>>>>>   - Note: ViewResolverRegistry#freemarker() finds a bean by exact 
>>>>>>>>>> type
>>>>>>>>>> of FreeMarkerConfigurer. alternative?
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> What can we do about this at all? I mean, we can't add methods to this
>>>>>>>>> class.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Yeah. We may lose @EnableWebMvc feature since it seems tightly coupled
>>>>>>>> with FreeMarkerConfigurer. Indeed, ViewResolverRegistry is created in
>>>>>>>> a hard-coded way directly by WebMvcConfigurationSupport.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Yet again, it might worth checking out what the Thymeleaf guys did, as
>>>>>>> they focus heavily on Spring integration.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> OK. That sounds right. I'll take a look at how they do.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>     (ref:
>>>>>>>>>> http://docs.spring.io/spring/docs/current/spring-framework-reference/htmlsingle/#mvc-config-view-resolvers)
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> 1.4. XML Schema based configuration support
>>>>>>>>>>   - Note: alternative for this?
>>>>>>>>>>   <mvc:view-resolvers>
>>>>>>>>>>     <!-- SNIP -->
>>>>>>>>>>     <mvc:freemarker cache="false"/>
>>>>>>>>>>   </mvc:view-resolvers>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> XML config is low priority, I guess.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> +1
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> 2. View Resolution support
>>>>>>>>>>   - FreeMarkerViewResolver and FreeMarkerView
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> 3. Tempplating Support
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> 3.1. JSP Tag Libraries support
>>>>>>>>>>   - Spring / Spring form tag libraries and Spring binding macro 
>>>>>>>>>> support.
>>>>>>>>>>   - Note: It looks like spring macros (spring.ftl) are duplicate
>>>>>>>>>> effort to the JSTL tag libraries, so I'm wondering if the macros were
>>>>>>>>>> originally introduced before freemarker JSTL tag library support
>>>>>>>>>> wasn't there or wasn't good enough. If so, perhaps can we stick to
>>>>>>>>>> using JSTL tag libraries directly without having to rewrite/provide
>>>>>>>>>> the macros?
>>>>>>>>>>     Or would it bring huge disruption in spring-mvc/freemarker 
>>>>>>>>>> community?
>>>>>>>>>>     Need to validate it more...
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> So I guess that's where my domain knowledge ends. Which JSTL tags are
>>>>>>>>> these? The Spring macros I have seen in SO questions and such call
>>>>>>>>> Spring-specific functionality, not JSTL... or I just don't know what
>>>>>>>>> JSTL can do. (Basic JSTL tags/functions are often duplicates core
>>>>>>>>> FreeMarker functionality, like c:if, c:forEach, etc.) BTW, many JSTL
>>>>>>>>> tags actually don't work with FreeMarker JSP support (I remember we
>>>>>>>>> have a test case on @Ignore which demonstrates that). Pretty much only
>>>>>>>>> traditional custom JSP tags do.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> I'm sorry for my confusion. I should have used (spring custom) "JSP
>>>>>>>> tags", not "JSTL tags".
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Examples of "duplicate efforts" to me:
>>>>>>>> - In Spring JSP Taglibs
>>>>>>>> (https://docs.spring.io/spring/docs/current/spring-framework-reference/html/spring-tld.html),
>>>>>>>> it has 'message' tag.
>>>>>>>>   In spring.ftl, it also has 'message' macro and variants
>>>>>>>> ('messageArgs', 'messageArgsText', ...).
>>>>>>>>   Perhaps there is a little to help with the macros, but developers
>>>>>>>> can use jsp tag lib in ftl directly.
>>>>>>>> - In Spring Form Taglibs
>>>>>>>> (https://docs.spring.io/spring/docs/current/spring-framework-reference/html/spring-form-tld.html),
>>>>>>>> it has 'checkboxes' tag.
>>>>>>>>   spring.ftl defines macros too for the same functionality.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> So, I'm thinking if we can stick with JSP taglibs only, then we might
>>>>>>>> not need to support those macros separately.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I hope (but haven't checked) that Spring has a
>>>>>>> view-technology-independent layer of this, and then the JSP custom
>>>>>>> tags (and FreeMarker macros) are just adapting that to the conventions
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Ah, yes. That's something to check. Good point.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> of the view technology (JSP, FTL). My concern with simply solving it
>>>>>>> with yet another adapter layer (FTL to JSP) is that the logic of at
>>>>>>> least some of these JSP tags is foreign from (modern) FTL. And the
>>>>>>> same certainly goes for other view technologies as well (here again
>>>>>>> it's might be a good idea to look what they did at Thymeleaf).
>>>>>>
>>>>>> OK.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Let's take spring:message for example. Why's this a tag at all? It's
>>>>>>> function, or even just a hash. If I had to expose such functionality
>>>>>>> to FTL-s, it would look like `${messages.hello}` and
>>>>>>> `${messages.hello(userName)}` and `${messages.hello(arg1, arg2,
>>>>>>> argN)}`. This also means that you can pass a resolved message as an
>>>>>>> argument to another macro/function: `<@foo messages.hello(userName)>`.
>>>>>>> And what's up with the escaping parameters? Because normally HTML
>>>>>>> autoescaping is ideally on, users has to do nothing to escape, and
>>>>>>> they can write ${messages.thisIsAlreadyHTML?noEsc} otherwise. We
>>>>>>> leverage core FTL functionality here, not need for any extra
>>>>>>> `messages` parameter for that. (Not to mention that in general it's
>>>>>>> not good that the user who inserts the message has to know if it's
>>>>>>> already HTML or not. I mean they can't decide it there, because it's
>>>>>>> already either HTML or plain text in the message data source. So,
>>>>>>> `messages` should know that (the data source should store that
>>>>>>> meta-information somehow). Then, `message.foo` returns an FTL String
>>>>>>> if `foo` is plain text, and FTL HTML markup-output if `foo` is HTML
>>>>>>> message, hence there's no need for ?noEsc in the last case, as
>>>>>>> FreeMarker knows that it needs no further escaping.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> In the future we might run into other cases where we can't utilize FTL
>>>>>>> features because the JSP obviously doesn't do that, and hence they
>>>>>>> have duplicated it, or just don't have it.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> There are also cases of the opposite of it, i.e., where JSP can do
>>>>>>> something that we can't, or at least it ugly and not idiomatic. Take
>>>>>>> for example the `var` and `scope` attributes of the spring:messages
>>>>>>> tag. Well, FTL has no out-parameters, nor scopes (even if the
>>>>>>> FreemarkerServlet data-model emulates the last to an extent). But if
>>>>>>> we solve this functionality with a function, as we should anyway (see
>>>>>>> above), we return that thing, so we don't need an out-param. If
>>>>>>> instead we just call spring:message with the JSP custom tag support of
>>>>>>> FreeMarker, it won't magically transform it to a function.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Good point! Sound better with extra ftl macros, not depending only on 
>>>>>> JSP tags.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> 3.2. HTML escaping and XHTML compliance??
>>>>>>>>>>   - ref:
>>>>>>>>>> http://docs.spring.io/spring/docs/current/spring-framework-reference/htmlsingle/#views-form-macros-html-escaping,
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> https://docs.spring.io/spring/docs/current/spring-framework-reference/html/spring-form-tld.html
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>   - Note: If we stick with JSTL tags without any extra macros (3.1), 
>>>>>>>>>> I
>>>>>>>>>> guess we won't need this special variable settings for escaping any
>>>>>>>>>> more..
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> So this is about how Spring (or you are saying, JSTL?) generated HTML
>>>>>>>>> fragments use escaping internally.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Sorry again, I should have said 'spring jsp tag libraries' instead.
>>>>>>>> For example, the 'message' tag already has 'htmlEscape' attribute. So,
>>>>>>>> when using the tag, ftl can use that attribute directly.
>>>>>>>> By the way, 'htmlEscape' spring jsp tag wouldn't be used in .ftl,
>>>>>>>> practically speaking as FM provides a better support.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Yip.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> 4. Testing support
>>>>>>>>>>   - ref:
>>>>>>>>>> http://docs.spring.io/spring/docs/current/spring-framework-reference/htmlsingle/#spring-mvc-test-server-htmlunit
>>>>>>>>>>   - Note: Make sure it works...
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> 5. Micellaneous
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> 5.1. Sending E-Mail support
>>>>>>>>>>   - ref:
>>>>>>>>>> http://docs.spring.io/spring/docs/current/spring-framework-reference/htmlsingle/#mail-templates-example
>>>>>>>>>>   - Note: might be a low-hanging fruit by giving an example with
>>>>>>>>>> freemarker instead...
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Yeah... especially if they will ever switch to freaking post-2.3.23
>>>>>>>>> FreeMarker (they don't upgrade since we are incubating...), because
>>>>>>>>> auto-escaping is missing from that example, and 2.3.24 does it much
>>>>>>>>> better than 2.3.23.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> -----
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Personally, I wish to have the following in the future too:
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> 6. More wishes
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> 6.1. Generic FreeMarker Configuration Factory with JSTL support
>>>>>>>>>>   - I have an HMVC web application framework which uses spring
>>>>>>>>>> framework as IoC, not MVC and Freemarker as view templating, but it
>>>>>>>>>> needs to support JSTL tag libraries. So far I have dispatched 
>>>>>>>>>> requests
>>>>>>>>>> to Freemarker servlet. I wish to configure a configuration factory 
>>>>>>>>>> and
>>>>>>>>>> use the service somehow directly without having to use request
>>>>>>>>>> dispatching any more...
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Not sure I follow, but isn't this using JSP support without
>>>>>>>>> FreemarkerServlet? It's not well documented, but possible, like Spring
>>>>>>>>> MVC does that too.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Oh yeah?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I'm not entirely sure... It think so as FreeMarkerConfigurer stores a
>>>>>>> TaglibFactory.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Yeah, I think I took a glance at that. Will look into it further.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> After studying how Thymeleaf guys do further, I can probably share 
>>>>>> better ideas.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Regards,
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Woonsan
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> That's good then. I'll try it later.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Thanks for all your input! I'll look into more detail and discuss 
>>>>>>>> further later.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Cheers,
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Woonsan
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> -----
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Folks, if you have experienced with spring + freemarker, please
>>>>>>>>>> review/correct my understandings and chime in here.
>>>>>>>>>> Also, it is probably a good time to speak up if you wish to have in
>>>>>>>>>> the future. ;-)
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> I was a bit boggled down with the configuration API polishing, so I
>>>>>>>>>>> haven't yet made the Jira issue. But I belive there's enough things 
>>>>>>>>>>> to
>>>>>>>>>>> do with the Spring integration before that becomes a problem. Things
>>>>>>>>>>> will keep changing under it anyway. But that's just how refactoring
>>>>>>>>>>> goes, and the same will happen again and again with freemarker-dom 
>>>>>>>>>>> and
>>>>>>>>>>> freemarker-servlet too.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Yes, I think this spring framework support could be started in
>>>>>>>>>> separate feature branch(es).
>>>>>>>>>> I guess the most important ones from the list above are 1.1, 1.2, 2, 
>>>>>>>>>> and 3.1.
>>>>>>>>>> Perhaps I can start working for those 4 items first in my github
>>>>>>>>>> branch to merge it later.
>>>>>>>>>> If there are other people who want to contribute to any of those, we
>>>>>>>>>> can consider a shared feature branch instead...
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> The goal would be not using the setSetting(String, String) API when
>>>>>>>>>>> configuring under Spring, and work with beans and bean properties
>>>>>>>>>>> cleanly. Ideally, only the builder classes need to be subclassed to
>>>>>>>>>>> add some Spring annotations/interfaces and Spring-specific defaults.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> I see. And I saw your builder class is really extensible. That's 
>>>>>>>>>> great!
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> One thing that I will surely want to do in FM3 is allowing mixed
>>>>>>>>>>> positional and named parameters in templates, like `f(1, 2, foo=3,
>>>>>>>>>>> bar=4)` or `<@m 1, 2 foo=3 bar=4/>`. That's probably good to know 
>>>>>>>>>>> when
>>>>>>>>>>> it comes to calling Spring features from templates. (Of course this
>>>>>>>>>>> will require replacing TemplateMethodModel and 
>>>>>>>>>>> TemplateDirectiveModel
>>>>>>>>>>> etc. with something better. Cleaning up the mess around the callable
>>>>>>>>>>> objects is part of FM3 anyway.)
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Sounds good. I haven't found a good example of 'calling Spring
>>>>>>>>>> features from templates' yet though. Maybe I'm missing something
>>>>>>>>>> important...
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Regards,
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Woonsan
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Regards,
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Woonsan
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Regards,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Woonsan
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> [1]
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> https://docs.spring.io/spring/docs/current/spring-framework-reference/html/view.html#view-velocity-contextconfig
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Best regards,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Michael Brohl
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> ecomify GmbH
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> www.ecomify.de
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Am 17.05.17 um 14:29 schrieb Daniel Dekany:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Wednesday, May 17, 2017, 2:26:29 AM, Taher Alkhateeb wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Yeah I closed it because it was a proposal for a PoC which 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> you pretty much
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> got done while I slacked :) Should I re-open? If yes then 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> perhaps it should
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> be renamed by removing the "PoC" part?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> No, then it was right to close it after all. You can create 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> an issue
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> for resolving the TODO-s and polishing the stuff it you 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> think, though
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> honestly FM3 has tons and tons of non-Jiraed things to do... 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> What
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> really counts if someone is interested in actually working on 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> them.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> (I'm not saying this to point at you or anyone. It's unpaid 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> work etc.,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> and if the project can't attract contributors, it's the fault 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> of the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> project and of its key persons, like me. The aspect that 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> concerns me
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> is that if I do all the technical stuff, even if I was some 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> kind of
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> superhuman one man army (and BTW I'm not) who can grind 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> through
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> everything in time regardless, that will be a serious problem 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> when it
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> comes to Apache incubation voting...)
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Tue, May 16, 2017 at 11:10 PM, Daniel Dekany 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> <[email protected]> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I saw the Jira issue for migrating to Gradle was closed, 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> but to be
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> clear it's far from done. Like, a major TODO is building 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the release
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> artifacts; the root project should do that (or should that 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> be yet
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> another sub-project instead?).
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> The second most important deficiency is producing all the 3 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Maven
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> artifacts for each published module (the usual artifact 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> plus src and
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> javadoc). Currently we only produce one artifact per 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> module, and it's
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> not even signed.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> BTW, I have factored out Manual generation into 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> freemarker-manual
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> (non-published module). There's also a TODO there as its 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> build doesn't
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> produce anything yet.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> --
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Thanks,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>   Daniel Dekany
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> --
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Thanks,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>  Daniel Dekany
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> --
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Thanks,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>  Daniel Dekany
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> --
>>>>>>>>>>> Thanks,
>>>>>>>>>>>  Daniel Dekany
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> --
>>>>>>>>> Thanks,
>>>>>>>>>  Daniel Dekany
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> --
>>>>>>> Thanks,
>>>>>>>  Daniel Dekany
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> --
>>>>> Thanks,
>>>>>  Daniel Dekany
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>> --
>>> Thanks,
>>>  Daniel Dekany
>>>
>>
>
> --
> Thanks,
>  Daniel Dekany
>

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