Isn't it going to be a big and risky change? I am wondering how we are testing Geode on a cluster? Are we dependent on our unit tests? There was a hydra framework, which is missing from open source, which was used for testing Geode on real clusters.
Touching this membership messaging Jgroup scares me. I would do it only if I have hydra testing by my side. My skepticism comes from Partition region rebalance operation(members going down/new member joining) rather than simple put/get/function execution calls. Regards Kishor On Tue, Sep 23, 2025 at 9:44 PM Jinwoo Hwang <[email protected]> wrote: > Hi Charlie, > > Thanks for bringing this up. To my knowledge, there hasn’t been any recent > work completed to fully remove JGroups yet. The last detailed discussion I > recall was in Dan’s write-up you linked, which outlined replacing UDP-based > membership messaging with a TCP-based approach. > > If we’re considering moving forward, it might be worth revisiting that > proposal and validating whether the assumptions and dependencies still > hold. From an architectural standpoint, removing JGroups could simplify the > stack, but we’d need to confirm any edge cases around membership > coordination and failure detection. > > Would it make sense to start by reviewing the current implementation and > identifying any blockers or gaps from Dan’s original plan? If others have > already explored alternatives or started work in this area, it would be > great to consolidate that information. > > I’d also encourage anyone in the community who has insights, prior > experience, or strong opinions on this topic to chime in. Your input will > help us make an informed decision and avoid reinventing the wheel if work > has already been done. > > > Best regards, > > Jinwoo Hwang (he/him/his) > > > > SAS® Research and Development > > http://JinwooHwang.com<http://jinwoohwang.com/> > > > > From: Charlie Black <[email protected]> > Date: Tuesday, September 23, 2025 at 12:03 PM > To: [email protected] <[email protected]> > Subject: Re: Proposal to Revisit PMC Voting Threshold for Apache Geode > Releases > > EXTERNAL > > I know there were some thoughts around removing jgroups since all it was > used for was membership messaging. I wonder if there is already some work > done to remove it? 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Let’s now identify which > > versions we’ll need to remediate them. > > > > I’ve noted that CVE-2016-1000027 is addressed in Spring 6, which aligns > > with our planned migration to Apache Geode 2.0.0. 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I completely understand the concern > > > regarding flagged CVEs, especially in the context of client audits and > > > internal security assessments via tools like Sonar. > > > > > > I agree that periodic updates to dependencies, including Geode, are > > > essential to ensure vulnerabilities are addressed proactively. I’ll > > > coordinate to prioritize this effort and explore a sustainable cadence > > for > > > reviewing and updating flagged components. > > > > > > Let’s work together to establish a periodic review and update cycle for > > > Geode and its dependencies. 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So a periodic update in this area is required. > > > > > > On Wed, Sep 17, 2025 at 7:46 AM Jinwoo Hwang > > <[email protected] > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > Hi Arnout, > > > > > > > > Thank you for your thoughtful and constructive feedback. I sincerely > > > > apologize for the oversight in cross-posting between dev@ and > private@ > > > > lists. I understand the importance of maintaining clear boundaries > > > between > > > > public and private communications, especially when sensitive topics > > like > > > > security are involved. I’ll be more careful moving forward. > > > > > > > > I also want to acknowledge that my limited experience with some of > > these > > > > processes may have caused concern or alarm. I appreciate your > patience > > > and > > > > the clarity you've provided—it’s been very helpful in deepening my > > > > understanding. > > > > > > > > Regarding the '3 votes' threshold, I agree it’s important to adhere > to > > > the > > > > Apache Release Policy. Your point about leveraging current momentum > to > > > > re-engage existing PMC members and onboard new ones is encouraging. I > > > share > > > > your optimism and believe Geode is indeed on a promising path. > > > > > > > > On PMC activity, I’ve also noticed signs of engagement from members > who > > > > may not be visible on dev@, so your observation about Leon’s > > assessment > > > > possibly being a bit conservative makes sense. > > > > > > > > As for the dependency advisories, I appreciate your clarification > that > > > > none have been confirmed to directly impact Geode. While urgency may > be > > > > debatable, I do think the release is a positive step forward and > > reflects > > > > renewed commitment. > > > > > > > > Your note on the voting window is also helpful. I agree that while > > quick > > > > closure supports momentum, flexibility in timing is built into the > > > process > > > > and can be accommodated when needed. > > > > > > > > Thanks again for your insights and support. 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> particular thread I suppose that risk is not so big, but let's be > > careful > > > > especially when discussing security impact. More comments inline: > > > > > > > > On Wed, Sep 17, 2025 at 1:56 AM Jinwoo Hwang <[email protected]> > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > As it stands, the policy requires *three binding +1 votes* from PMC > > > > members > > > > > to finalize a release. While this standard has served us well > > > > historically, > > > > > it may no longer reflect the current reality of our project’s > active > > > > > participation. In 2023, it was noted that although the PMC > officially > > > > lists > > > > > 31 members, fewer than 10 were actively engaged. As Leon recently > > > pointed > > > > > out, based on current email activity, it appears that *only three > PMC > > > > > members* are actively participating—suggesting that the actual > number > > > of > > > > > engaged PMC members may now be just three. > > > > > > > > > > This makes reaching quorum increasingly difficult—even when the > > broader > > > > > community is contributing actively and consistently. The current > > > release > > > > > effort, which includes over 20 commits and four release candidates, > > is > > > a > > > > > clear example of this challenge. Despite strong momentum, we are at > > > risk > > > > of > > > > > stalling due to procedural thresholds that no longer match our > > > > operational > > > > > scale. > > > > > > > > > > > > > I'd like to note that my understanding is that the 'voting window' > is a > > > 'no > > > > closing the vote before', but not a 'the vote must close at' - so > even > > if > > > > the vote would be delayed that is not necessarily a dealbreaker. I > > agree > > > > it's better for momentum if the vote can close quickly, of course ;) > . > > > > > > > > > > > > > More importantly, this release remediates *critical security > > > > > vulnerabilities* that directly impact the reliability and safety of > > > > Apache > > > > > Geode deployments. These include: > > > > > > > > > > - *CVE-2023-40167*: Request smuggling via '+' in Content-Length > > > > > - *CVE-2023-22602*: Spring Boot pattern mismatch auth bypass > > > > > - *CVE-2023-34478*: Path traversal routing bypass > > > > > - *CVE-2023-46750*: Form auth open redirect > > > > > - *CVE-2024-8184*: DoS via memory exhaustion > > > > > - *CVE-2024-13009*: Gzip buffer mismanagement causing > > cross-request > > > > data > > > > > leakage > > > > > - *CVE-2023-26049*: Cookie smuggling > > > > > - *CVE-2023-26048*: Multipart request DoS > > > > > - *CVE-2022-42004 & CVE-2022-42003*: Deep nested array DoS > > > > > vulnerabilities > > > > > - *CVE-2020-36518*: Stack overflow vulnerability > > > > > - *CVE-2022-40664*: Authentication bypass via RequestDispatcher > > > > > - *CVE-2022-32532*: RegexRequestMatcher misconfiguration > > > > > - *CVE-2023-46749*: Path traversal leading to auth bypass > > > > > - *CVE-2024-36124*: JVM crash risk enabling DoS > > > > > - *CVE-2025-48734*: Improper access control via Java enum > > > ClassLoader > > > > > exposure > > > > > > > > > > Delaying this release not only risks losing community momentum—it > > also > > > > > prolongs exposure to known vulnerabilities that have already been > > > > > addressed. > > > > > > > > > > > > > While I agree these advisories for dependencies represent some risk, > I > > > want > > > > to note that AFAIK none of those have been confirmed to actually > impact > > > > Geode. A release may also fix undisclosed vulnerabilities, but > frankly > > > > given the previous release AFAICS was in 2022 it's hard to argue > > > particular > > > > urgency. Still, I'm thrilled the release is proceeding! > > > > > > > > > > > > > Given this, I propose we revisit the voting threshold to better > > reflect > > > > the > > > > > actual number of active PMC members. If the original intent of > > > requiring > > > > > three votes was to represent roughly 10% of the full PMC, then > > applying > > > > > that same ratio to the currently active group would suggest a > > threshold > > > > of > > > > > *one > > > > > binding vote*. > > > > > > > > > > This adjustment would: > > > > > > > > > > - Align our process with the current scale of active > participation > > > > > - Prevent valuable contributions and security fixes from being > > > blocked > > > > > due to quorum issues > > > > > - Encourage continued engagement by reducing procedural > > bottlenecks > > > > > > > > > > I recognize this is a significant change and welcome discussion on > > how > > > > best > > > > > to approach it—whether through a formal vote, a temporary > adjustment, > > > or > > > > a > > > > > broader review of our governance practices. > > > > > > > > > > Thank you for your continued dedication to Apache Geode. 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Over the past five months, we’ve made more > > than > > > 20 > > > > > > commits and produced four release candidates—a remarkable > > achievement > > > > > that > > > > > > reflects the renewed energy within our community. > > > > > > > > > > > > This progress would not have been possible without the dedication > > of > > > > many > > > > > > contributors and reviewers. We would like to extend our sincere > > > > > > appreciation to Arnout, Bryan, Calvin, Charlie, Kirk, Kishor, > Leon, > > > and > > > > > > Niall for your generous support and active engagement. Your > efforts > > > > have > > > > > > been instrumental in reigniting momentum and moving the project > > > > forward. > > > > > > > > > > > > As of this morning, we are just two PMC votes away from > finalizing > > > the > > > > > > release. If you are a PMC member and have not yet voted, please > > > > consider > > > > > > doing so by 3 PM PST today. Your participation is essential to > > > > completing > > > > > > this milestone. > > > > > > > > > > > > More importantly, we kindly ask our PMC members to help > > maintain—and > > > > > > ideally accelerate—the momentum that the community has just > > > rekindled. > > > > > This > > > > > > is a pivotal moment for Apache Geode. While we’ve faced > challenges > > > due > > > > to > > > > > > limited active committers and documentation that has struggled to > > > keep > > > > > pace > > > > > > with evolving tooling and workflows, your renewed involvement can > > be > > > a > > > > > > turning point. Active PMC engagement will not only help us close > > this > > > > > > release but also strengthen the foundation for future > contributions > > > and > > > > > > collaboration. > > > > > > > > > > > > Please feel free to reach out to me if you have any concerns or > > > > feedback. > > > > > > I’d be happy to discuss and support in any way I can. > > > > > > > > > > > > Let’s take this final step together and build on the collective > > > effort > > > > > > that has brought us here. > > > > > > > > > > > > With appreciation and respect, > > > > > > Jinwoo Hwang (he/him/his) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > SAS® Research and Development > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 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> > > ASF Security Response > > > > Apache Pekko PMC member, ASF Member > > > > NixOS Committer > > > > Independent Open Source consultant > > > > > > > > > > -- Thanks & Regards Kishor P. Bachhav
