I know there were some thoughts around removing jgroups since all it was
used for was membership messaging.   I wonder if there is already some work
done to remove it?   Anyone?

Extra Context on the write up that Dan wrote a while back:

https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/GEODE/Replace+UDP+messaging+for+membership+with+TCP

Charlie

On Tue, Sep 23, 2025 at 6:51 AM Ventsislav Marinov
<[email protected]> wrote:

> Hi all,
>
> I’m interested in working on the remediation of the
> jgroups-3.6.20.Final.jar and the rest of the impacted dependencies.
>
> Regards,
> Ventsislav Marinov
>
> From: Jinwoo Hwang <[email protected]>
> Date: Monday, September 22, 2025 at 11:53 AM
> To: [email protected] <[email protected]>
> Subject: Re: Proposal to Revisit PMC Voting Threshold for Apache Geode
> Releases
> EXTERNAL
>
> Hi Leon,
>
> Thank you so much for taking the time to investigate all the security
> vulnerabilities in the dependencies of 1.15.2. Let’s now identify which
> versions we’ll need to remediate them.
>
> I’ve noted that CVE-2016-1000027 is addressed in Spring 6, which aligns
> with our planned migration to Apache Geode 2.0.0. Unfortunately, this
> remediation is not available in the open source Spring 5, which makes the
> upgrade path to Geode 2.0.0 even more critical.
>
>
> Best regards,
>
> Jinwoo Hwang (he/him/his)
>
>
>
> SAS® Research and Development
>
>
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> From: Leon Finker <[email protected]>
> Date: Monday, September 22, 2025 at 10:54 AM
> To: [email protected] <[email protected]>
> Subject: Re: Proposal to Revisit PMC Voting Threshold for Apache Geode
> Releases
>
> EXTERNAL
>
> Hi Jinwoo,
>
> Here is the current list after updating to 1.15.2 and using just the base
> required geode dependencies:
>
> Filename: commons-lang3-3.12.0.jar | Highest CVSS Score: 5.3 | Amount of
> CVSS: 1 | References: CVE-2025-48924 (5.3)
>
> Filename: jgroups-3.6.20.Final.jar | Highest CVSS Score: 9.8 | Amount of
> CVSS: 1 | References: CVE-2016-2141 (9.8)
>
> Filename: spring-core-5.3.20.jar | Highest CVSS Score: 8.7 | Amount of
> CVSS: 8 | References: CVE-2025-41249 (8.7) CVE-2025-41242 (8.2)
> CVE-2024-22259 (8.1) CVE-2023-20860 (7.5) CVE-2023-20861 (6.5)
> CVE-2023-20863 (6.5) CVE-2024-38820 (5.3) CVE-2024-38808 (4.3)
>
> Filename: spring-web-5.3.20.jar | Highest CVSS Score: 9.8 | Amount of CVSS:
> 13 | References: CVE-2016-1000027 (9.8) CVE-2024-38809 (8.7) CVE-2025-41249
> (8.7) CVE-2024-22243 (8.1) CVE-2024-22262 (8.1) CVE-2024-22259 (8.1)
> CVE-2023-20860 (7.5) CVE-2025-41234 (7.4) CVE-2024-38828 (6.9)
> CVE-2023-20861 (6.5) CVE-2023-20863 (6.5) CVE-2024-38820 (5.3)
> CVE-2024-38808 (4.3)
>
> Filename: commons-beanutils-1.9.4.jar | Highest CVSS Score: 8.8 | Amount of
> CVSS: 1 | References: CVE-2025-48734 (8.8)
>
>
> On Wed, Sep 17, 2025 at 6:31 PM Jinwoo Hwang <[email protected]
> >
> wrote:
>
> > Hi Leon,
> >
> > Thank you for highlighting the importance of maintaining a clean security
> > posture across our dependencies. I completely understand the concern
> > regarding flagged CVEs, especially in the context of client audits and
> > internal security assessments via tools like Sonar.
> >
> > I agree that periodic updates to dependencies, including Geode, are
> > essential to ensure vulnerabilities are addressed proactively. I’ll
> > coordinate to prioritize this effort and explore a sustainable cadence
> for
> > reviewing and updating flagged components.
> >
> > Let’s work together to establish a periodic review and update cycle for
> > Geode and its dependencies. If there are particular CVEs or components
> > you’re seeing flagged more frequently, feel free to send them over so we
> > can prioritize accordingly.
> >
> >
> > Best regards,
> >
> > Jinwoo Hwang (he/him/his)
> >
> >
> >
> > SAS® Research and Development
> >
> >
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> >
> > From: Leon Finker <[email protected]>
> > Date: Wednesday, September 17, 2025 at 6:20 PM
> > To: [email protected] <[email protected]>
> > Subject: Re: Proposal to Revisit PMC Voting Threshold for Apache Geode
> > Releases
> >
> > EXTERNAL
> >
> > In our case we want CVEs fixed as much as possible across our
> dependencies
> >  to have a clean grade on security analysis by sonar/etc. This can be
> > either for company security stance and/or security audits by clients.
> It’s
> > not manageable if geode dependency shows many of its dependencies flagged
> > with various CVEs. So a periodic update in this area is required.
> >
> > On Wed, Sep 17, 2025 at 7:46 AM Jinwoo Hwang
> <[email protected]
> > >
> > wrote:
> >
> > > Hi Arnout,
> > >
> > > Thank you for your thoughtful and constructive feedback. I sincerely
> > > apologize for the oversight in cross-posting between dev@ and private@
> > > lists. I understand the importance of maintaining clear boundaries
> > between
> > > public and private communications, especially when sensitive topics
> like
> > > security are involved. I’ll be more careful moving forward.
> > >
> > > I also want to acknowledge that my limited experience with some of
> these
> > > processes may have caused concern or alarm. I appreciate your patience
> > and
> > > the clarity you've provided—it’s been very helpful in deepening my
> > > understanding.
> > >
> > > Regarding the '3 votes' threshold, I agree it’s important to adhere to
> > the
> > > Apache Release Policy. Your point about leveraging current momentum to
> > > re-engage existing PMC members and onboard new ones is encouraging. I
> > share
> > > your optimism and believe Geode is indeed on a promising path.
> > >
> > > On PMC activity, I’ve also noticed signs of engagement from members who
> > > may not be visible on dev@, so your observation about Leon’s
> assessment
> > > possibly being a bit conservative makes sense.
> > >
> > > As for the dependency advisories, I appreciate your clarification that
> > > none have been confirmed to directly impact Geode. While urgency may be
> > > debatable, I do think the release is a positive step forward and
> reflects
> > > renewed commitment.
> > >
> > > Your note on the voting window is also helpful. I agree that while
> quick
> > > closure supports momentum, flexibility in timing is built into the
> > process
> > > and can be accommodated when needed.
> > >
> > > Thanks again for your insights and support. I look forward to continued
> > > collaboration and learning.
> > >
> > >
> > > Best regards,
> > >
> > > Jinwoo Hwang (he/him/his)
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > SAS® Research and Development
> > >
> > >
> >
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> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > From: Arnout Engelen <[email protected]>
> > > Date: Wednesday, September 17, 2025 at 7:29 AM
> > > To: [email protected] <[email protected]>
> > > Subject: Re: Proposal to Revisit PMC Voting Threshold for Apache Geode
> > > Releases
> > >
> > > EXTERNAL
> > >
> > > Hi,
> > >
> > > Note this thread spans both dev@ (a public list) and private@ (a
> private
> > > list). We usually try not to do that, to avoid accidentally leaking
> > > information from the private to the public sphere (see also for example
> > >
> > >
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> >
> > >.
> > > For this
> > > particular thread I suppose that risk is not so big, but let's be
> careful
> > > especially when discussing security impact. More comments inline:
> > >
> > > On Wed, Sep 17, 2025 at 1:56 AM Jinwoo Hwang <[email protected]>
> wrote:
> > >
> > > > As it stands, the policy requires *three binding +1 votes* from PMC
> > > members
> > > > to finalize a release. While this standard has served us well
> > > historically,
> > > > it may no longer reflect the current reality of our project’s active
> > > > participation. In 2023, it was noted that although the PMC officially
> > > lists
> > > > 31 members, fewer than 10 were actively engaged. As Leon recently
> > pointed
> > > > out, based on current email activity, it appears that *only three PMC
> > > > members* are actively participating—suggesting that the actual number
> > of
> > > > engaged PMC members may now be just three.
> > > >
> > > > This makes reaching quorum increasingly difficult—even when the
> broader
> > > > community is contributing actively and consistently. The current
> > release
> > > > effort, which includes over 20 commits and four release candidates,
> is
> > a
> > > > clear example of this challenge. Despite strong momentum, we are at
> > risk
> > > of
> > > > stalling due to procedural thresholds that no longer match our
> > > operational
> > > > scale.
> > > >
> > >
> > > I'd like to note that my understanding is that the 'voting window' is a
> > 'no
> > > closing the vote before', but not a 'the vote must close at' - so even
> if
> > > the vote would be delayed that is not necessarily a dealbreaker. I
> agree
> > > it's better for momentum if the vote can close quickly, of course ;) .
> > >
> > >
> > > > More importantly, this release remediates *critical security
> > > > vulnerabilities* that directly impact the reliability and safety of
> > > Apache
> > > > Geode deployments. These include:
> > > >
> > > >    - *CVE-2023-40167*: Request smuggling via '+' in Content-Length
> > > >    - *CVE-2023-22602*: Spring Boot pattern mismatch auth bypass
> > > >    - *CVE-2023-34478*: Path traversal routing bypass
> > > >    - *CVE-2023-46750*: Form auth open redirect
> > > >    - *CVE-2024-8184*: DoS via memory exhaustion
> > > >    - *CVE-2024-13009*: Gzip buffer mismanagement causing
> cross-request
> > > data
> > > >    leakage
> > > >    - *CVE-2023-26049*: Cookie smuggling
> > > >    - *CVE-2023-26048*: Multipart request DoS
> > > >    - *CVE-2022-42004 & CVE-2022-42003*: Deep nested array DoS
> > > >    vulnerabilities
> > > >    - *CVE-2020-36518*: Stack overflow vulnerability
> > > >    - *CVE-2022-40664*: Authentication bypass via RequestDispatcher
> > > >    - *CVE-2022-32532*: RegexRequestMatcher misconfiguration
> > > >    - *CVE-2023-46749*: Path traversal leading to auth bypass
> > > >    - *CVE-2024-36124*: JVM crash risk enabling DoS
> > > >    - *CVE-2025-48734*: Improper access control via Java enum
> > ClassLoader
> > > >    exposure
> > > >
> > > > Delaying this release not only risks losing community momentum—it
> also
> > > > prolongs exposure to known vulnerabilities that have already been
> > > > addressed.
> > > >
> > >
> > > While I agree these advisories for dependencies represent some risk, I
> > want
> > > to note that AFAIK none of those have been confirmed to actually impact
> > > Geode. A release may also fix undisclosed vulnerabilities, but frankly
> > > given the previous release AFAICS was in 2022 it's hard to argue
> > particular
> > > urgency. Still, I'm thrilled the release is proceeding!
> > >
> > >
> > > > Given this, I propose we revisit the voting threshold to better
> reflect
> > > the
> > > > actual number of active PMC members. If the original intent of
> > requiring
> > > > three votes was to represent roughly 10% of the full PMC, then
> applying
> > > > that same ratio to the currently active group would suggest a
> threshold
> > > of
> > > > *one
> > > > binding vote*.
> > > >
> > > > This adjustment would:
> > > >
> > > >    - Align our process with the current scale of active participation
> > > >    - Prevent valuable contributions and security fixes from being
> > blocked
> > > >    due to quorum issues
> > > >    - Encourage continued engagement by reducing procedural
> bottlenecks
> > > >
> > > > I recognize this is a significant change and welcome discussion on
> how
> > > best
> > > > to approach it—whether through a formal vote, a temporary adjustment,
> > or
> > > a
> > > > broader review of our governance practices.
> > > >
> > > > Thank you for your continued dedication to Apache Geode. I look
> forward
> > > to
> > > > hearing your thoughts.
> > >
> > >
> > > The '3 votes' threshold comes from the Apache Release Policy (
> > >
> > >
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> > >.
> > > If a project has
> > > insufficient active PMC members to make that quorum, it should consider
> > > retiring. Indeed Geode has been at the brink of retirement, but I agree
> > it
> > > is now on a good trajectory back to health. I think Leon's assessment
> of
> > > the number of active PMCs may be a bit pessimistic, as I've seen a few
> > > other PMC members be active as well (though that may have been on the
> > > private list, I haven't checked).
> > >
> > > Instead of dropping the threshold, I'm optimistic we can use the
> current
> > > momentum both to encourage existing PMC members to become/remain
> active,
> > > but also to work towards onboarding new PMC members.
> > >
> > >
> > > Kind regards,
> > >
> > > Arnout
> > >
> > >
> > > > On Tue, Sep 16, 2025 at 6:22 PM Jinwoo Hwang <[email protected]>
> > wrote:
> > > >
> > > > > Dear Apache Geode PMC Members,
> > > > >
> > > > > We are standing at the edge of a major milestone—and we need your
> > help
> > > to
> > > > > cross it.
> > > > >
> > > > > As of the original deadline, we are still two binding votes short
> of
> > > > > finalizing the release.
> > > > > In recognition of the tremendous effort poured into this by our
> > > > > contributors and reviewers, we are extending the vote by 24 hours.
> > > > >
> > > > > This release is the result of months of focused collaboration:
> > > > >
> > > > >    - 20+ commits
> > > > >    - 4 release candidates
> > > > >    - Countless hours of testing, reviewing, and refining
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > To let this moment pass without action would be to set aside the
> hard
> > > > work
> > > > > of those who have reignited momentum in our community.
> > > > > We owe it to them—and to the future of Apache Geode—to see this
> > > through.
> > > > >
> > > > > If you are a PMC member who has not yet voted, I urge you to take a
> > > > moment
> > > > > and cast your vote.
> > > > > Your participation is not just procedural—it is a statement of
> > support
> > > > for
> > > > > the community, for the contributors, and for the continued vitality
> > of
> > > > this
> > > > > project.
> > > > >
> > > > > Let’s not allow this opportunity to stall. Let’s finish what we
> > > > > started—together.
> > > > > If you have any questions or concerns, I’m available and happy to
> > > assist.
> > > > >
> > > > > With respect and appreciation,
> > > > >
> > > > > Jinwoo Hwang (he/him/his)
> > > > >
> > > > > SAS® Research and Development
> > > > >
> > >
> >
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> > >
> > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > ---------- Forwarded message ---------
> > > > > From: Jinwoo Hwang <[email protected]>
> > > > > Date: Tue, Sep 16, 2025 at 7:55 AM
> > > > > Subject: Project Management Committee Support Needed Today – Help
> > > > Finalize
> > > > > the Apache Geode Release
> > > > > To: <[email protected]>
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > Dear Apache Geode Community and PMC members,
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > It has been nearly three years since our last release on October
> 10,
> > > > 2022,
> > > > > and we are pleased to share that we are now on the verge of
> > delivering
> > > a
> > > > > long-awaited update. Over the past five months, we’ve made more
> than
> > 20
> > > > > commits and produced four release candidates—a remarkable
> achievement
> > > > that
> > > > > reflects the renewed energy within our community.
> > > > >
> > > > > This progress would not have been possible without the dedication
> of
> > > many
> > > > > contributors and reviewers. We would like to extend our sincere
> > > > > appreciation to Arnout, Bryan, Calvin, Charlie, Kirk, Kishor, Leon,
> > and
> > > > > Niall for your generous support and active engagement. Your efforts
> > > have
> > > > > been instrumental in reigniting momentum and moving the project
> > > forward.
> > > > >
> > > > > As of this morning, we are just two PMC votes away from finalizing
> > the
> > > > > release. If you are a PMC member and have not yet voted, please
> > > consider
> > > > > doing so by 3 PM PST today. Your participation is essential to
> > > completing
> > > > > this milestone.
> > > > >
> > > > > More importantly, we kindly ask our PMC members to help
> maintain—and
> > > > > ideally accelerate—the momentum that the community has just
> > rekindled.
> > > > This
> > > > > is a pivotal moment for Apache Geode. While we’ve faced challenges
> > due
> > > to
> > > > > limited active committers and documentation that has struggled to
> > keep
> > > > pace
> > > > > with evolving tooling and workflows, your renewed involvement can
> be
> > a
> > > > > turning point. Active PMC engagement will not only help us close
> this
> > > > > release but also strengthen the foundation for future contributions
> > and
> > > > > collaboration.
> > > > >
> > > > > Please feel free to reach out to me if you have any concerns or
> > > feedback.
> > > > > I’d be happy to discuss and support in any way I can.
> > > > >
> > > > > Let’s take this final step together and build on the collective
> > effort
> > > > > that has brought us here.
> > > > >
> > > > > With appreciation and respect,
> > > > > Jinwoo Hwang (he/him/his)
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > SAS® Research and Development
> > > > >
> > >
> >
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> >
> > >
> > > >
> > > > >
> > > >
> > >
> > >
> > > --
> > > Arnout Engelen
> > > ASF Security Response
> > > Apache Pekko PMC member, ASF Member
> > > NixOS Committer
> > > Independent Open Source consultant
> > >
> >
>

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