On Tue, Jun 21, 2016 at 3:13 PM, Greg Chase <gch...@pivotal.io> wrote:

> The community is of course thinking about it. That is the point of the
> Incubator program.
>
> However, I imagine we will be asking about graduation after the release of
> Geode 1.0 GA.
>

Getting the mechanics of releases right and showing the IPMC that the
project understand how to do that is important. What I particularly liked
about this projects 2nd (M2) release was not just the +1 votes, but the
qualifications that accompanied those votes ("I checked the sigs", "I built
& ran the tests" etc) - I see that and it gives me confidence that this is
not a rubber stamping exercise, but the project members are exercising
their responsibilities with care & attention. In terms of meeting the
graduation criteria, geode will almost certainly have ticked that box in
terms of graduation with another release. Obviously users place great
importance and judge releases on labels such as "milestone", "beta" or "GA"
etc - but from an ASF perspective these are not relevant as "quality of
release" is judged on different criteria (licensing, process etc) and by
those criteria theres no difference between an M1 or a GA release. From
that perspective, my opinion is that geode is doing a great job and will
probably have nailed it with the upcoming M3 release.

>From what I see, geode has got all its legal ducks in a row (code grants,
source headers, license compatibility) and so the last and main graduation
criteria it needs to meet relate to community[1]. IMO this is the most
difficult (and important) of all the criteria, its also more subjective to
judge and from a project that entered from a single company the hardest to
satisfy. From what I see on the mailing list, this is a great community and
meets the "openness" criteria - its a welcoming place, people
discuss/disagree and come to a consensus in the way that the ASF expects.
The one question I have is "are all the discussions/decisions being brought
to this mailing list?" - as an observer, it looks to me like that is
happening - but only the project members can confirm that. If the answer is
yes, then thats another tick in the box. New committers have been voted in
and (AIUI) this is not just from Pivotal, but other "legally independent"
people, so growing the community is also met. Lastly is the "diversity"
question and this is probably the hardest to give a definitive answer. The
IPMC seems to have moved from the prescriptive criteria laid out in the
link below to a more judgement based approach and it would be a good idea
to discuss this with your mentors and/or sound out the wider IPMC on how
geode can meet this criteria. Obviously the more new independent people you
recruit, the better for this - but would be good to know how near or far
you are from meeting that. The one thing I would say is that alot of people
were put on the initial incubator proposal (70+ I believe) and I would
recommend reviewing that when you decide to go for graduation and removing
anyone who has not been active (easy enough to vote them back in later if
they start contributing) as I'm sure that will help with the balance as
well as reflecting reality.

Niall

[1] http://incubator.apache.org/guides/graduation.html#community



> > On Jun 21, 2016, at 6:49 AM, Dor Ben Dov <dor.ben-...@amdocs.com> wrote:
> >
> > Hi,
> > General speaking, what is the status of geode incubation in apache at
> the moment, when will it be switched to Apache TLP  ?
> >
> > Dor
> >
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