Thanks a lot Niall and Roman for your thoughtful comments! It's really
great to read all this and see where we are as a project!!
On Wed, Jun 22, 2016 at 11:12 AM, Roman Shaposhnik <ro...@shaposhnik.org>
wrote:
> On Tue, Jun 21, 2016 at 7:39 PM, Niall Pemberton
> <niall.pember...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > On Tue, Jun 21, 2016 at 3:13 PM, Greg Chase <gch...@pivotal.io> wrote:
> >
> >> The community is of course thinking about it. That is the point of the
> >> Incubator program.
> >>
> >> However, I imagine we will be asking about graduation after the release
> of
> >> Geode 1.0 GA.
> >>
> >
> > Getting the mechanics of releases right and showing the IPMC that the
> > project understand how to do that is important. What I particularly liked
> > about this projects 2nd (M2) release was not just the +1 votes, but the
> > qualifications that accompanied those votes ("I checked the sigs", "I
> built
> > & ran the tests" etc) - I see that and it gives me confidence that this
> is
> > not a rubber stamping exercise, but the project members are exercising
> > their responsibilities with care & attention. In terms of meeting the
> > graduation criteria, geode will almost certainly have ticked that box in
> > terms of graduation with another release. Obviously users place great
> > importance and judge releases on labels such as "milestone", "beta" or
> "GA"
> > etc - but from an ASF perspective these are not relevant as "quality of
> > release" is judged on different criteria (licensing, process etc) and by
> > those criteria theres no difference between an M1 or a GA release. From
> > that perspective, my opinion is that geode is doing a great job and will
> > probably have nailed it with the upcoming M3 release.
> >
> > From what I see, geode has got all its legal ducks in a row (code grants,
> > source headers, license compatibility) and so the last and main
> graduation
> > criteria it needs to meet relate to community[1]. IMO this is the most
> > difficult (and important) of all the criteria, its also more subjective
> to
> > judge and from a project that entered from a single company the hardest
> to
> > satisfy. From what I see on the mailing list, this is a great community
> and
> > meets the "openness" criteria - its a welcoming place, people
> > discuss/disagree and come to a consensus in the way that the ASF expects.
> > The one question I have is "are all the discussions/decisions being
> brought
> > to this mailing list?" - as an observer, it looks to me like that is
> > happening - but only the project members can confirm that. If the answer
> is
> > yes, then thats another tick in the box. New committers have been voted
> in
> > and (AIUI) this is not just from Pivotal, but other "legally independent"
> > people, so growing the community is also met. Lastly is the "diversity"
> > question and this is probably the hardest to give a definitive answer.
> The
> > IPMC seems to have moved from the prescriptive criteria laid out in the
> > link below to a more judgement based approach and it would be a good idea
> > to discuss this with your mentors and/or sound out the wider IPMC on how
> > geode can meet this criteria. Obviously the more new independent people
> you
> > recruit, the better for this - but would be good to know how near or far
> > you are from meeting that. The one thing I would say is that alot of
> people
> > were put on the initial incubator proposal (70+ I believe) and I would
> > recommend reviewing that when you decide to go for graduation and
> removing
> > anyone who has not been active (easy enough to vote them back in later if
> > they start contributing) as I'm sure that will help with the balance as
> > well as reflecting reality.
>
> Niall, thanks a million for your extremely thoughtful reply. With my
> mentor hat on,
> I wholeheartedly agree with all the points you made. I really do think
> the community
> is on a trajectory to graduate relatively soon.
>
> Given that, now would be a perfect time to start bringing up concerns
> and suggestions
> along the lines of what you've mentioned in your last sentence.
>
> Thanks,
> Roman.
>
--
~/William
