I'm afraid I agree with Jeremy. Sorry guys but the proposals for change come across to me as half-baked vague dreams that mix together multiple issues from widely different domains with no actual solution. I'm finding responding to this ----very--- time consuming and I see no progress yet on resolving anything. I would appreciate everyone currently involved focussing the energy they are putting into this discussion on finishing certification -- I believe all current participants have access to the tck -- and resuming the discussion with concrete examples of the dangers of serializaion and the utter coolness of untrammelled xml AFTER that long delayed milestone.

thanks
david jencks

On May 20, 2005, at 9:43 AM, Dain Sundstrom wrote:

On May 20, 2005, at 6:55 AM, Aaron Mulder wrote:

Need we use all caps for this? It seems kind of impolite. Also,
who is authorized to decide when a discussion "has gone on long enough"?


Finally, I disagree. I don't want to just drop the ball for an
indeterminate period of time (or at least, what seems indeterminate to
anyone who's not privy to the TCK testing status). I can understand that
you might not want to actually change the implementation in mid-stream if
it's going to affect the testing process -- but surely we (especially
those of "we" who are not actively TCK testing) can discuss and
investigate some options in the mean time. I promise to call a vote
before making a change that could derail the certification testing. :)

I totally agree.

This is an important subject and we have delayed discussions like this long enough.

-dain





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