Noel,
I see this as a big source of my frustration, and I hope we can do
something about this. From the perspective of anyone in an
incubating project, you represent the incubator. So when you express
"just your opinion" it very difficult if not impossible for someone
to see the distinction. This is compounded by the fact that you get
to vote on a lot of issues related to an incubating project, and
given your ability to influence others, your opinion quickly becomes
incubator policy or in the absence of policy, failed votes.
I would like to see the incubator encourage communities to make their
own decisions via an open community oriented process based within the
guidelines of the ASF. I think there is a conflict of interest when
those there to help incubate new projects and indoctrinate them in
the apache way also pushing a personal agenda, and I think we should
avoid this at all costs.
-dain
On Mar 14, 2006, at 10:26 PM, Noel J. Bergman wrote:
Dain Sundstrom wrote:
I agree it is important to have as much as possible on apache
hardware. It was my understanding until I read this thread
here, that infrastructure was fine with leaving JIRAs for
imported projects hosted remotely until the JIRA had a better
import tool.
Please keep in mind that when I speak, Sam speaks, Ken speaks, Justin
speaks, etc., we are airing our own views. In general, I would
assume that
someone is speaking as an individual rather than a role, unless
otherwise
indicated. Greg Stein, for example, only uses his @apache.org
address when
posting as the ASF Chairman. If you see him posting from another e-
mail
address, he is posting as just Greg. In other cases, you might notice
someone specifically mention in the e-mail what hat they are
wearing. When
the Incubator PMC speaks, it does so with a consensus, which may or
may not
coincide with the individual views of all of its members.
Individuals have differing priorities. How the community makes
decisions
and how it interacts with the rest of the ASF are high on my list.
The ASF
is about individuals making a deliberate and concerted effort to
say that
collaboration and consensus are the key principles. Even when we
argue
about something, that's an expression of that structure. Getting this
across to people joining the ASF is an crucial part of what
Incubation is
supposed to do, in my view.
--- Noel
