On 6/29/06, Matt Hogstrom <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
There is a lot of work going on to migrate from Maven 1 to Maven 2 in our
build. A question came up
as to whether or not we needed [RTC] for that activity. Please read an excerpt
from David's e-mail
on the topic...
David Jencks wrote:
> AFAIK no one is planning to try to get 1.1 to build with m2. I
> certainly don't feel like I have time to deal with the RTC process for
> something that requires zillions of trivial changes to get to work.
I was not happy to have read so and if Dave loses his pasion to do the
work how else will do it? That's true and that needs to be changed. As
a PMC member I don't think it's that bad. We're improving and the
number of emails recently dramatically increased that surely impact
how people follow what's being done in Geronimo. Although RTC has
slowed down development a bit (or even more), it will pay off very
soon. We need to be very patient until more committers become PMC
members and their votes are binding. Painful, but in the end it might
boost development significantly.
AFAIUI, the whole point of RTC is to ensure communication through
dev/user mailing lists rather than in closed circles.
It would seem to me that the process for RTC would be to send an RTC about the
Maven 1 -> 2
conversion with some preliminary ideas.
+1
[RTC] M1 - M2 converstion e-mail sent to dev
Developers review the "plan" (as not all changes are known) and they reach
consensus about the
significant change. They get they're +1s from the group and begin their work.
+1
They continue their work posting status e-mails to the group but are not
required to get 3 +1s on
every change but only changes where it would warrant some input (like changing
directory layouts,
etc.) Even these I see as informative and normal communication and not an
[RTC] thread.
Since people are all engaged in the process or are at least interested
in following it, why would that be hard to reach 3 +1s? I don't see
it. Are you saying that once the plan is approved (with 3 binding
votes) the following steps wouldn't be as much important and wouldn't
get their 3 +1s? I think I'm mistaken and didn't get the point of your
suggestion?
I believe the goal of RTC is to improve communication which in many instances
it has. In the spirit
of RTC we could complete the Maven 1 -> 2 conversion without large numbers of
RTCs required.
Right, but at the end of the day at least 3 people are fully
aware/familiar with how it really works, which is a good thing. I
think once the migration is over we will improve our communication
skills and RTC will become obsolete.
Recently I think Jeff requested an RTC to update the committers page which I
think falls outside of
the RTC requirement so based on these two examples I believe there is still
come confusion.
My understanding is that only trunk needs RTC unless it's a bug fix.
Documentation changes don't need RTC - they do improve communication
about the product so no need to ask for 3 +1s.
Matt
Jacek
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