Re: Geronimo in year 2008

[David Jencks]

On Feb 11, 2008, at 8:03 AM, Donald Woods wrote:

Shiva Kumar H R wrote:
On Feb 8, 2008 2:09 PM, David Jencks <[EMAIL PROTECTED]  
<mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]>> wrote:
    3a is implemented in 2.1
Is there an admin console page for this already implemented?
     Despite my liking for xmlbeans and its unique strengths I  
think a
    very strong argument can be made for moving the deployer code  
to jaxb.
Interesting!! Let me do some quick learning of jaxb and start a  
separate thread on this.

We need to discuss introducing more dependencies on JAXB as a group  
first, as this just ties more of our server code with Sun RI, which  
has no alternative implementation right now (and could be licensed  
from Sun as GPL in future releases....)

My understanding is that jaxb is included in the jre starting with  
java 6.  IMO this is one of the arguments in its favor.

We also can't avoid it at this point.  Openejb deployment is very  
tied to jaxb and the geronimo startup code also  relies on it.  I  
don't think rewriting the openejb deployment system using xmlbeans is  
plausible.

thanks
david jencks


     thanks
    david jencks
    On Feb 8, 2008, at 12:30 AM, Shiva Kumar H R wrote:
    I can immediately remember 3 prior discussions in reference  
to this:
        i) "[DISCUSS/FEEDBACK] Usability improvements to Geronimo"
    mail from Prasad in Nov'07
    http://www.mail-archive.com/dev@geronimo.apache.org/ 
msg53236.html
        ii) "[Discuss] What next?" mail from DJencks in Aug'07
    http://www.mail-archive.com/dev@geronimo.apache.org/ 
msg50660.html
        iii) "[DISCUSS] Geronimo 2.1 - what's next?" mail from  
Matt in
    Jul'07
    http://www.mail-archive.com/dev@geronimo.apache.org/ 
msg48173.html

    Alright, here is my wish list - features that I would love to  
see
    getting into Geronimo in 2008:
    1) Deployment Environment:
        a) Plan Creator wizards (in Admin Console & in Geronimo
    Eclipse Plugin) for geronimo-application.xml and *many* other
    Geronimo deployment plans.
        b) Geronimo specific annotations: To further simplify the
    specification of Geronimo deployment information, right at
    development time.

    2) Geronimo Eclipse Plug-in (GEP):
        a) Model framework for Geronimo deployment plans:
    Currently it is EMF (Eclipse Modeling Framework). With every
    update to Geronimo deployment schema, it's a major pain to
    generate new EMF classes. If however, GEP uses the same model
    framework as that of Geronimo server (XMLBeans), then at least
    this problem would be solved. IIUC JSR-88 DConfigBeans would be
    the ideal model framework for GEP - in that case even if the  
model
    framework of server changes in future, GEP would be unaffected.
        b) Critical bug fixes
        c) Make "Download and Install" option more intuitive
        d) Customize Web Services Wizard:
    The default implementation of WTP's web services wizard  
embeds an
    Axis engine inside a web-app and then deploys it in a web server
    such as Tomcat. However this isn't the right approach for  
Geronimo
    as it already has a global web services engine deployed.  
Hence web
    services wizard's behavior must be customized when deploying  
onto
    Geronimo.
        e) Better Remote server support
        f) Testsuite Automation
        g) Integrating JavaEE Samples.

    3) Admin Console Tools:
        a) Server Build Tool: For instance, a "button" to push that
    spits out a server with just what is needed for a set of apps  
and
    nothing else.
    http://www.mail-archive.com/dev@geronimo.apache.org/ 
msg54849.html
        b) Cluster Admin Tools: Geronimo has a lot of partial
    clustering solutions. For instance there's WADI, native tomcat
    clustering, a terracotta integration, and many others. A cluster
    admin tool would be of great help in the setting-up and
    fine-tuning of those clustering solutions.

    I am stuck in 1) a) Plan Creator work for the past year or so  
and
    it is still not complete! So if I alone work on many of those
    features, God alone knows when I will complete them. Any
    takers/collaborators?

    On Feb 7, 2008 8:28 PM, Vamsavardhana Reddy <[EMAIL PROTECTED]
    <mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]>> wrote:

        Hello,

        Geronimo had a great year 2007.  I don't need to re-list all
        our achievements listed in Matt's mail from 31st Dec 2007
        (http://www.mail-archive.com/dev@geronimo.apache.org/ 
msg54994.html).         Now that 2.1 is also rolling out, I think  
it is time we start
        discussing what we want to do in Geronimo in year 2008.  Let
        us also discuss what we "must" do to make Geronimo an
        application server of choice.  I would like all of us to use
        this mail thread to put forth our thoughts (and any action
        items some of us may have already come up with silently) so
        that the community can see what great heights Geronimo will
        scale in 2008.

        Thank you.

        ++Vamsi




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    Shiva
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Shiva