yes, they are the parents for the various g projects.

flava5 is for java5 projects, flava6 for java6,.... 

LieGrue,
strub


> Am 04.06.2018 um 18:15 schrieb Romain Manni-Bucau <rmannibu...@gmail.com>:
> 
> Don't recall but do we need flava anymore?
> 
> Romain Manni-Bucau
> @rmannibucau |  Blog | Old Blog | Github | LinkedIn | Book
> 
> 
> Le lun. 4 juin 2018 à 18:09, Mark Struberg <strub...@yahoo.de> a écrit :
> Just to get this down to paper somehow. 
> The following is a list of specs I'd going to release:
> 
> Sending        geronimo-activation_1.1_spec/pom.xml
> Sending        geronimo-annotation_1.2_spec/pom.xml
> Sending        geronimo-annotation_1.3_spec/pom.xml
> Sending        geronimo-atinject_1.0_spec/pom.xml
> Sending        geronimo-availability_1.0_spec/pom.xml
> Sending        geronimo-concurrent_1.0_spec/pom.xml
> Sending        geronimo-ejb_3.1_spec/pom.xml
> Sending        geronimo-ejb_3.2_spec/pom.xml
> Sending        geronimo-el_2.2_spec/pom.xml
> Sending        geronimo-interceptor_1.1_spec/pom.xml
> Sending        geronimo-interceptor_1.2_spec/pom.xml
> Sending        geronimo-j2ee-connector_1.6_spec/pom.xml
> Sending        geronimo-jacc_1.1_spec/pom.xml
> Sending        geronimo-jacc_1.4_spec/pom.xml
> Sending        geronimo-jaspic_1.0_spec/pom.xml
> Sending        geronimo-javamail_1.4_spec/pom.xml
> Sending        geronimo-javamail_1.5_spec/pom.xml
> Sending        geronimo-jaxb_2.0_spec/pom.xml
> Sending        geronimo-jaxb_2.1_spec/pom.xml
> Sending        geronimo-jaxb_2.2_spec/pom.xml
> Sending        geronimo-jaxr_1.0_spec/pom.xml
> Sending        geronimo-jaxrpc_1.1_spec/pom.xml
> Sending        geronimo-jaxrs_1.1_spec/pom.xml
> Sending        geronimo-jaxrs_2.0_spec/pom.xml
> Sending        geronimo-jaxrs_2.1_spec/pom.xml
> Sending        geronimo-jaxws_2.1.1_spec/pom.xml
> Sending        geronimo-jaxws_2.1_spec/pom.xml
> Sending        geronimo-jaxws_2.2_spec/pom.xml
> Sending        geronimo-jbatch_1.0_spec/pom.xml
> Sending        geronimo-jcache_1.0_spec/pom.xml
> Sending        geronimo-jcdi_1.0_spec/pom.xml
> Sending        geronimo-jcdi_1.1_spec/pom.xml
> Sending        geronimo-jcdi_2.0_spec/pom.xml
> Sending        geronimo-jms_1.1_spec/pom.xml
> Sending        geronimo-jms_2.0_spec/pom.xml
> Sending        geronimo-jpa_1.0_spec/pom.xml
> Sending        geronimo-jpa_2.0_spec/pom.xml
> Sending        geronimo-jpa_2.1_spec/pom.xml
> Sending        geronimo-json_1.0_spec/pom.xml
> Sending        geronimo-json_1.1_spec/pom.xml
> Sending        geronimo-jsonb_1.0_spec/pom.xml
> Sending        geronimo-jsp_2.1_spec/pom.xml
> Sending        geronimo-jsp_2.2_spec/pom.xml
> Sending        geronimo-jta_1.1_spec/pom.xml
> Sending        geronimo-jta_1.2_spec/pom.xml
> Sending        geronimo-osgi-support/geronimo-osgi-itesta/pom.xml
> Sending        geronimo-osgi-support/geronimo-osgi-itestb/pom.xml
> Sending        geronimo-osgi-support/geronimo-osgi-locator/pom.xml
> Sending        geronimo-osgi-support/geronimo-osgi-registry/pom.xml
> Sending        geronimo-osgi-support/pom.xml
> Sending        geronimo-saaj_1.3_spec/pom.xml
> Sending        geronimo-servlet_2.5_spec/pom.xml
> Sending        geronimo-servlet_3.0_spec/pom.xml
> Sending        geronimo-servlet_3.1_spec/pom.xml
> Sending        geronimo-stax-api_1.0_spec/pom.xml
> Sending        geronimo-stax-api_1.2_spec/pom.xml
> Sending        geronimo-validation_1.0_spec/pom.xml
> Sending        geronimo-validation_1.1_spec/pom.xml
> Sending        geronimo-validation_2.0_spec/pom.xml
> Sending        geronimo-websockets_1.0_spec/pom.xml
> Sending        geronimo-ws-metadata_2.0_spec/pom.xml
> 
> 
> I've removed ancient specs which are not maintained anymore like the Client 
> Profile. 
> 
> Do we also want to pimp the flava projects? Should I release those as well?
> The natural order would be to release all the osgi base stuff in one go, then 
> take on a few other specs in bigger bundles until the whole list is worked 
> off.
> 
> LieGrue,
> strub
> 
> > Am 04.06.2018 um 16:36 schrieb Mark Struberg <strub...@yahoo.de>:
> > 
> > I'm with Romain on this one. There is a ticket open for various MP specs.
> > We should evaluate this and then push for it to be fixed.
> > 
> > LieGrue,
> > strub
> > 
> > 
> >> Am 04.06.2018 um 15:09 schrieb Romain Manni-Bucau <rmannibu...@gmail.com>:
> >> 
> >> 
> >> 
> >> Le lun. 4 juin 2018 à 13:45, John D. Ament <johndam...@apache.org> a écrit 
> >> :
> >> They support OSGi due to liberty's requirements.  How they do it is up to 
> >> them.  Can you please elaborate on what is wrong with the current OSGi 
> >> headers?
> >> 
> >> Nop, liberty does it all wrong. They force setGlobalProvider in the API 
> >> and this is not needed as any geronimo spec jar or aries shows. This leads 
> >> to an unsafe user accessible API which is not thread safe and a server 
> >> destructor :(.
> >> We need https://github.com/apache/geronimo-specs/pull/9 and at least 
> >> SPI-Provider header, spifly can be nice too - is used today.
> >> 
> >> 
> >> And the issue with Java 9 is that you can end up with multiple copies of 
> >> the packages.
> >> 
> >> This is not really an issue, no more than today actually since it is the 
> >> same ones with the same content.
> >> 
> >> 
> >> On Mon, Jun 4, 2018, 7:42 AM Romain Manni-Bucau <rmannibu...@gmail.com> 
> >> wrote:
> >> 
> >> 
> >> Le lun. 4 juin 2018 à 13:36, John D. Ament <johndam...@apache.org> a écrit 
> >> :
> >> We should be fixing the MP spec JARs rather than implementing our set of 
> >> JARs.  It creates confusion and will lead to inability to run on Java 9.
> >> 
> >> Last point is wrong since we'll put the same automatic module name.
> >> I'm fine with the first proposal if we have a way to guarantee 1. we can 
> >> get the releases fast enough (< 2 weeks) and 2. they will embrace 
> >> spifly+javacontract on OSGi side. Any of you (more involved in MP 
> >> community) able to check that out before we close that topic please?
> >> 
> >> 
> >> On Mon, Jun 4, 2018, 3:57 AM Romain Manni-Bucau <rmannibu...@gmail.com> 
> >> wrote:
> >> Well b doesn't solve 3, any way we get karma to do the releases? This 
> >> would solve that neatly.
> >> 
> >> Romain Manni-Bucau
> >> @rmannibucau |  Blog | Old Blog | Github | LinkedIn | Book
> >> 
> >> 
> >> Le lun. 4 juin 2018 à 09:52, Mark Struberg <strub...@yahoo.de> a écrit :
> >> All fair points, but 
> >> 
> >> a.) I don't want to host org.eclipse sources at Apache
> >> b.) We can just ship a PR to add those features over there
> >> c.) point 4 should not be the case.
> >> 
> >> So I'd vote -1
> >> 
> >> LieGrue,
> >> strub
> >> 
> >>> Am 04.06.2018 um 09:09 schrieb Romain Manni-Bucau <rmannibu...@gmail.com>:
> >>> 
> >>> Hi guys,
> >>> 
> >>> we have 4 MP implementations I think (failsafe, config, jwt-auth and 
> >>> opentracing) and 2 of them reused eclipse api jar and 2 uses a geronimo 
> >>> flavor.
> >>> 
> >>> I'd like us to discuss which flavor we want to align all of them.
> >>> 
> >>> The fact to reuse the API reduces the code we hosts which is not bad but 
> >>> has these drawbacks:
> >>> 
> >>> 1. when a loader is involved we can't enhance it for our consumers (like 
> >>> aries) to be compatible with other mecanism than plain java standalone (+ 
> >>> standard java(ee) mecanism like lib/<spec>.properties which is sometimes 
> >>> used in users land)
> >>> 2. geronimo always provided a good entry point to be OSGi friendly. I saw 
> >>> that some MP@eclipse jar provided some OSGi work but they rely on a 
> >>> dependency we don't want in all not OSGi apps + they don't embrace what 
> >>> our consumers do (spifly+javacontract we will merge soon)
> >>> 3. it is very slow to have an eclipse release (opentracing and jwt auth 
> >>> were a pain and even led to use tck in snapshot to launch the release 
> >>> after having waited weeks)
> >>> 4. if there is some default hardcoded (dont think it is the case yet but 
> >>> it can likely be appended in 1 to be consistent with the javaee/jakartaee 
> >>> behavior) then we will want to put our default and not the RI one
> >>> 
> >>> At the end the cost to have the spec jar is almost nothing to not say 
> >>> really nothing so I'm in favor of ensuring we always host it.
> >>> 
> >>> Romain Manni-Bucau
> >>> @rmannibucau |  Blog | Old Blog | Github | LinkedIn | Book
> >> 
> > 
> 

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