All, It was a sizable effort moving everything Gossip into the incubator. Thank you all for your help along the way. Recently activity has slowed down, much of this falls on me.
My opinion is gossip would be much better off moving back to github and be independently hosted (by me or someone else) I believe for the following reasons: Infrastructure: AAA I forgot my password and when I clicked the "FORGOT MY PASSWORD" link I got back a PGP email. No instructions in the email, lol city. I had to google around ASFs site to try to figure out what to do. Try googling 'pgp lost password' on apache's docs and figuring out what you need to do. Releases: The release process for most Java projects using maven 'mvn release:clean && mvn release:prepare && mvn release:perform". Hosting is free and sign up takes less then a day. Apache incubator wants to see releases as a sign of health, yet the release process is involved. We have to do the maven steps, generate an email with the checksums of all critical files, post a vote on the incubator list, release the artifacts to central, and copy them to an svn directory. That is a vote across 2 mailing lists. and all the maven steps, and other manual steps, and that does not even count getting the website changed. For me what is a 5 minute thing turns into a days long process. The net result is we have features in trunk not in the release because doing a release is just a drag. No one is even half interested in taking on this process and I only did it because it is the only way. Community: Apache incubator is about building communities. Mailing list The mailing list is fairly opaque to me. I am sure there is some way to figure out what the subscriber base is but I don't know it. Jira Jira is great tool but the implementation slows people down. New users have to sign up, and they are unable to assign themselves tickets until I navigate into JIRA and add them to a group. With open source and attracting contributors it helps to be able to strike while the iron is hot. Having users confused as to weather they can start on a task does not help with that. GIT Apache has git but not github is only a mirror. When I have to merge peoples stuff I have to do it by hand with git commands. (No squash and merge button) Updating the site: Another series of obscure svn commands, making simple things hard, (much like the release process) Reports I get an 4-5 emails at different rates titled "Incubator Report Due" at different rates. Only one of them is for this project. We were never great with reports. Almost all the info in the report could be automatically generated. We missed a report, we got placed onto a report now do every month category. The last one was due yesterday, sorry I was enjoying a hotdog at a bbq, I went to fill it out today and, saw yet another email chain on the incubator list about how Gossip should leave apache. The report is just another huge time suck, the time I spend doing it I could be doing an hour of code review. Even though some things are in the incubator 7 years, and some apache TLPs have no activity Gossip out of the incubator seems to be a constant thing for some.... So lets get out of here.
