Although I think this discussion is getting off topic, I'll go ahead and chime in myself. I would once again remind people that a strong open source community is built on public communications. Mailing lists are old, they are fickle, they are annoying, and the list goes on. If Groovy wants to remain relevant, it needs to stay up to date, and it needs a well supported and advertised forum. Unfortunately the concept of a mailing list is deeply entrenched in Apache's requirements, which holds the community back. In truth, I don't know if that is possible to fix.
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