On the 0x23D day of Apache Harmony Alexei Fedotov wrote: > Accepted. > Here is my preference (the less, the better):
Sorry, but.. I vote for "the more, the better" and "harmony website local search". Or something like "Site Map" with the whole collection of links (automatic generation of this page is preferred). > Left pane: > > General > About > License > FAQ > > Get Involved > Mailing Lists > Bug Reports > Developer Info > > <a>Downloads</a> > > <a>Documentation</a> > Site Map > Wiki > > Limit a right pane to three cool news - noone scrolls the news list down > anyway. > > On 12/11/06, Geir Magnusson Jr. <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > > > Alexei Fedotov wrote: > > > Talking about standard conventions, I suggest being close to > > > http://httpd.apache.org/. Any other candidates? > > > > I don't get what we're doing here. > > > > The objection to our menu was that it was "long". The httpd site is "long". > > > > So why not suggestion specific fixes for our site (if "long" isn't a > > problem) that solve users needs rather than just switch wholesale to a > > different site that was targeted at a completely different audience? > > > > geir > > > > > > > > > > > On 12/11/06, Geir Magnusson Jr. <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > >> > > >> > > >> Alexei Fedotov wrote: > > >> > I like the design proposed by Nadya because it is compact. That is why > > >> > the design is much friendlier for a newcomer. Gurus such as Salikh > > >> > could maintain their own bookmarks for in-depth places of interest. > > >> > > > >> > > >> The thing to realize is that the original menu was one based on much > > >> experience over many sites, with a lot of the standard conventions > > >> expected by people generally familiar with open source sites. > > >> > > >> > I'm ok with removing a source code page since a prefferred way to get > > >> > code for all except technical writers is a federated build. > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > On 12/11/06, Morozova, Nadezhda <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > >> >> Hi, > > >> >> More responses below. > > >> >> > > >> >> >(-) Renaming "Contribution policy" -> "Contributing" makes the link > > >> >> vague > > >> >> +1, but do you think we can say just "Policy"? the page is about > > >> several > > >> >> notions. > > >> >> >(-) Removing subcomponents map from the navigation pane (I use it all > > >> >> the > > >> >> >time) > > >> >> +1 agreed to do earlier. Won't keep the classlib status page though - > > >> >> have a more current wiki instead. > > >> >> >(-) Removing "Source code" link (I use it regularly). And downloads > > >> >> page is > > >> >> >not > > >> >> >the place I would go to look for a source code repository > > >> information. > > >> >> +1 ok, I see it's a tension point. > > >> >> >(-) Renaming "Mailing lists" -> "Subscribe" ("subscribe" is less > > >> >> >informative) > > >> >> -1 disagree. I tried to make this group of links more > > >> visitor-oriented, > > >> >> add simple typical action verbs. It seems more important than the > > >> >> abstract "lists" group. > > >> >> >(-) The section "In the project" has no clearly defined subject and > > >> >> looks > > >> >> >like > > >> >> >a heap of links randomly collected together. > > >> >> 0. hesitant. I don't know - I've tried to group the links for those > > >> >> already in the project. The problem with some pages there - they're > > >> not > > >> >> as good as they should be. Suggestions welcome. > > >> >> >(-) Moving "Downloads" from "General" section to "Get involved" > > >> >> section. > > >> >> >Most > > >> >> >of our users are not going to be involved. They would just want to > > >> >> download > > >> >> >and > > >> >> >use the JDK/JRE. > > >> >> 0. reluctant. I'd prefer to keep General focused on the project, on > > >> >> people and policy and goals. And I am not sure we have too many users > > >> >> who want the JDK and won't be involved at all :) > > >> >> >(-) Renaming navigation subsection "Community" -> "Get involved". It > > >> >> now > > >> >> >duplicates with the page title, and does not provide a logical > > >> >> explanation > > >> >> >of > > >> >> >what links are listed in the section. "Community" was explaining the > > >> >> group > > >> >> >of > > >> >> >links better. > > >> >> 0. hesitant. Community is more like people inside, and get involved is > > >> >> more like resources for people outside. Just my opinion. > > >> >> >(+) "JIRA" -> "Submit a bug" ("JIRA" is way too cryptic) > > >> >> >(+) removing "ASF" link > > >> >> :) > > >> >> >(*) FAQ page looks outdated and needs to be revised (e.g. in response > > >> >> to > > >> >> >Sun > > >> >> >open-sourcing hotspot etc.) > > >> >> +1 will file a JIRA.. > > >> >> >(*) "Site map" link in the navigation pane deserves a subsection > > >> of its > > >> >> >own, > > >> >> >and need not be grouped with any other links. > > >> >> +1 > > >> >> > > >> >> Cheers, > > >> >> Nadya > > >> >> > > >> >> > > >> >> >-----Original Message----- > > >> >> >From: news [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Salikh Zakirov > > >> >> >Sent: Monday, December 11, 2006 8:46 PM > > >> >> >To: dev@harmony.apache.org > > >> >> >Subject: Re: [doc][user experience] minor improvements to website > > >> >> >navigation and content > > >> >> > > > >> >> >Morozova, Nadezhda wrote: > > >> >> >> Hi all, > > >> >> >> > > >> >> >> > > >> >> >> > > >> >> >> I've experimented a bit with our website to improve browsing and > > >> make > > >> >> >> key pages or ideas stand out more. > > >> >> >> > > >> >> >> See http://people.apache.org/~nadinem/docs/ > > >> >> > > > >> >> >Sorry, my first response may have been overly emotional. > > >> >> >Here is the detailed list of issues I noticed: > > >> >> > > > >> >> >I think the following changes are not good: > > >> >> >(-) Renaming "Contribution policy" -> "Contributing" makes the link > > >> >> vague > > >> >> >(-) Removing subcomponents map from the navigation pane (I use it all > > >> >> the > > >> >> >time) > > >> >> >(-) Removing "Source code" link (I use it regularly). And downloads > > >> >> page is > > >> >> >not > > >> >> >the place I would go to look for a source code repository > > >> information. > > >> >> >(-) Renaming "Mailing lists" -> "Subscribe" ("subscribe" is less > > >> >> >informative) > > >> >> >(-) The section "In the project" has no clearly defined subject and > > >> >> looks > > >> >> >like > > >> >> >a heap of links randomly collected together. > > >> >> >(-) Moving "Downloads" from "General" section to "Get involved" > > >> >> section. > > >> >> >Most > > >> >> >of our users are not going to be involved. They would just want to > > >> >> download > > >> >> >and > > >> >> >use the JDK/JRE. > > >> >> >(-) Renaming navigation subsection "Community" -> "Get involved". It > > >> >> now > > >> >> >duplicates with the page title, and does not provide a logical > > >> >> explanation > > >> >> >of > > >> >> >what links are listed in the section. "Community" was explaining the > > >> >> group > > >> >> >of > > >> >> >links better. > > >> >> > > > >> >> > > > >> >> >The following changes look good to me: > > >> >> >(+) "JIRA" -> "Submit a bug" ("JIRA" is way too cryptic) > > >> >> >(+) removing "ASF" link > > >> >> > > > >> >> >The following items need further attention > > >> >> >(*) FAQ page looks outdated and needs to be revised (e.g. in response > > >> >> to > > >> >> >Sun > > >> >> >open-sourcing hotspot etc.) > > >> >> >(*) "Submit an issue" does not lead to a link submission form, but > > >> to a > > >> >> >issue > > >> >> >browser. IMHO, it should be renamed to "issue tracker" or "bug > > >> >> tracker". > > >> >> >(*) "Site map" link in the navigation pane deserves a subsection > > >> of its > > >> >> >own, > > >> >> >and need not be grouped with any other links. > > >> >> > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > -- > With best regards, > Alexei, > ESSD, Intel > -- Egor Pasko
