Egor Pasko wrote: > On the 0x372 day of Apache Harmony Spark Shen wrote: >> 2007/10/17, Sean Qiu <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: >>> I suggest we maintain our classlib modules (jar) in a central repository. >>> So we can just get a kernel bundle, and it will download the required >>> jars. >> >> +1 for kernel bundle. >> >> We can add options for the default build task. Using these options to >> determine whether >> to include source code ,debug information etc. >> >> And what about and a new build target 'build-core' for only those kernel >> bundles necessary >> to start JRE. > > Sorry, guys: > -1 > > First of all, -1 to removing debug information. When you need it, it > is time when you really need it and you are really stuck and blaming > your JRE for various aspects if debug info is not there. > > Secondly, to the kernel bundle: > > 1. how many people want to download just 1/3 of the JRE and then keep > looking of the damn slow download when running some app? This would > be an unpleasant surprize because people just did not ask you to go > web. Looks suspicious, slow and ugly. I do not like unpleasant > surpizes. > > 2. it is a lot of work. We will need to identify places that can be > stripped, tweak classloader to download stuff instead of throwing > complains. Ideally, we will need to measure user experience: how > many users did not want to download more, and what we can do to > increase the number of users? Seems pretty hard. So, unless > somebody has a good design in their mind, I would object to this > effort. And if they have, please, publish the design on wiki. > > 3. how about permissions? anyone who runs a Java app is sometimes > asked for a root password to update the JRE? not very convenient > > 4. I believe Linux package managers would anyway stick to the full > package (otherwize it turns to a nightmare of permissions, security > issues and such). So, we won't get any lovers of this stuff in the > Linux community, which is completely not impressing. > > Slow, ugly, surprizing unpleasantly, vulnerable to attacks. gosh. > > If Sun likes that, just let them have fun.
I think you are being a bit harsh Egor. I have to admit that this is not where I would invest my time because I think there is plenty of low-hanging fruit to be picked for space savings in the current code, and that producing a downloadable version is not going to solve that problem. However, if that is Xiao-Feng / Sean's itch then I'd let them go at it. It would have to be available as an option since I also agree that there are many occasions when people just want the whole thing. Regards, Tim
