Ok sounds good.  Thanks.

On Tue, May 21, 2019 at 2:37 AM Ning Wang <[email protected]> wrote:

> Looks good~
>
> For the move, I think we don't really need to wait for the release.
> Especially we may need to have a "master" version and other versions for
> different releases.
>
> How far back might depends on how easy it is to generate web pages. :)  It
> might be good enough to start having the pages after moving to Apache
> package name (0.20.0) so it is only one version back.
>
>
>
> On Mon, May 20, 2019 at 8:24 PM Josh Fischer <[email protected]> wrote:
>
> > Good Evening,
> >
> > I've been looking around the Pulsar repo to see how they version their
> > docs.. It looks like they are using
> >  Docusarus -> https://docusaurus.io/docs/en/versioning.  This looks
> like a
> > nice little tool that could handle the versioning for us.
> >
> > A question I still have.. Is it more important to move where the static
> > pages are served from with the added Apache information and then work on
> > versioning the docs? I imagine we would have to manually trigger this
> page
> > deployment only once to get it moved. Or should wait to move the site
> once
> > a new release is created and add in all the automation before hand?
> >
> > Finally, how far back to do we go to try and match the documentation to
> the
> > version?
> >
> > On Fri, May 17, 2019 at 11:04 PM Ning Wang <[email protected]> wrote:
> >
> > > got it. that is small enough then :) thx
> > >
> > > On Fri, May 17, 2019 at 7:33 PM Josh Fischer <[email protected]>
> > wrote:
> > >
> > > > I just built the static site on my local.  The zip file of the
> website
> > is
> > > > 15.1 MB.
> > > >
> > > > On Fri, May 17, 2019 at 6:03 PM Ning Wang <[email protected]>
> > wrote:
> > > >
> > > > > I think it makes sense for each release to have a separated
> > > doc/website.
> > > > It
> > > > > might be a question though if the website should be included in the
> > > > > release. I am also curious how big the zip file of the website is?
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > On Fri, May 17, 2019 at 6:48 AM Josh Fischer <[email protected]>
> > > > wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > > My responses are Inlined
> > > > > >
> > > > > > On Wed, May 15, 2019 at 1:37 PM Dave Fisher <
> [email protected]
> > >
> > > > > wrote:
> > > > > >
> > > > > > > A few thoughts about the website. There are two parts to
> > consider.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > (1) The constant part that talks about the Heron project, where
> > > > > resources
> > > > > > > are and how to contribute to it. This part includes linkages to
> > ASF
> > > > > > > resources and also the proper download pages etc.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > This part should be published at any time and I suggest that
> the
> > > > > Jenkins
> > > > > > > build be triggered by changes to the repository. This is why
> many
> > > > > > projects
> > > > > > > have a separate repository for the website.
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > *** I do have a fair amount of this merged into master.  I looked
> > at
> > > > > > another incubating project and reused a lot of what they have
> done.
> > > > The
> > > > > > static site just hasn’t been updated yet.   If think this should
> go
> > > out
> > > > > > before we move where the site is served from I think we can make
> > that
> > > > > > happen.  Please advise.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > See the following for missing issues:
> > > > > > > https://whimsy.apache.org/pods/project/heron - go to
> > > > > > > https://whimsy.apache.org/pods/project to find another podling
> > for
> > > > > > > comparison.
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > *** see above
> > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > (2) Heron docs ought to be tied together with product releases
> > > along
> > > > > with
> > > > > > > master. It makes sense for a releases docs to be part of a
> > release
> > > > > build.
> > > > > > > Some projects even include release docs with a binary
> convenience
> > > > > > release.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > *** ok would have to think about this approach a little more.  I
> > > think
> > > > I
> > > > > > misunderstood the reasoning behind separating the website from
> the
> > > > > code.  I
> > > > > > do this would be an easier to manage workflow.   I believe the
> > > current
> > > > > set
> > > > > > up builds all static content and Java/Py docs from the same
> > command.
> > > > We
> > > > > > may have to do a little more work to separate the two.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > *** Any one else have any thoughts?  Did I miss anything?
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > > Regards,
> > > > > > > Dave
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > On May 10, 2019, at 9:14 AM, Josh Fischer <
> [email protected]
> > >
> > > > > wrote:
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > Hey All,
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > With the "build asf site" scripts merged into master we
> should
> > > > decide
> > > > > > > which
> > > > > > > > of the existing Heron Jenkins builds that we want to trigger
> > > them.
> > > > > > Ning
> > > > > > > > brought up a good idea to have differences instances of the
> > > static
> > > > > site
> > > > > > > > running for the different versions of Heron.  I agree that
> this
> > > is
> > > > a
> > > > > > good
> > > > > > > > idea.  While I don't think that easily possible today, we can
> > > start
> > > > > to
> > > > > > > > design our release process to work with this idea.  We could
> > > create
> > > > > new
> > > > > > > > docs to be published for each successful release as opposed
> to
> > a
> > > > > > > scheduled
> > > > > > > > cron job?  Thoughts?
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > On Fri, Apr 26, 2019 at 11:03 AM Dave Fisher <
> > > > [email protected]>
> > > > > > > wrote:
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > >> Hi Josh,
> > > > > > > >>
> > > > > > > >> I responded to your more recent email. In order to create
> and
> > > > manage
> > > > > > > >> Jenkins jobs ids need to be added to the  hudson-jobadmin
> LDAP
> > > > group
> > > > > > by
> > > > > > > a
> > > > > > > >> PMC Chair.
> > > > > > > >>
> > > > > > > >> Looking for that now.
> > > > > > > >>
> > > > > > > >> Regards,
> > > > > > > >> Dave
> > > > > > > >>
> > > > > > > >>> On Apr 24, 2019, at 4:09 PM, Josh Fischer <
> > [email protected]
> > > >
> > > > > > wrote:
> > > > > > > >>>
> > > > > > > >>> Sending this again.  I think the apache servers stripped
> out
> > > the
> > > > > > image
> > > > > > > on
> > > > > > > >>> the last email I sent.
> > > > > > > >>>
> > > > > > > >>> Here is my original message:
> > > > > > > >>>
> > > > > > > >>> I was looking around the site
> > > > > > > >> https://builds.apache.org/view/Heron%20Jobs/ .
> > > > > > > >>> I've logged in, but I don't see a way to create a freestyle
> > > > > > > >>> project/pipeline/anything in the UI.   Am I missing
> something
> > > > > > obvious?
> > > > > > > >>>
> > > > > > > >>> Please see the google drive link below for the image I was
> > > trying
> > > > > to
> > > > > > > >> share
> > > > > > > >>> before.
> > > > > > > >>>
> > > > > > > >>>
> > > > > > > >>
> > > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > >
> > > >
> > >
> >
> https://drive.google.com/file/d/1BGjltTiRNZRfBaT5d2heTKEfKfUe0Irz/view?usp=sharing
> > > > > > > >>>
> > > > > > > >>> On Tue, Apr 23, 2019 at 9:34 PM Josh Fischer <
> > > > [email protected]>
> > > > > > > >> wrote:
> > > > > > > >>>
> > > > > > > >>>> Hey All,
> > > > > > > >>>>
> > > > > > > >>>> I was looking around the site
> > > > > > > >> https://builds.apache.org/view/Heron%20Jobs/ .
> > > > > > > >>>> I've logged in, but I don't see a way to create a
> freestyle
> > > > > > > >>>> project/pipeline/anything in the UI.. See attached image.
> > >  Am I
> > > > > > > missing
> > > > > > > >>>> something?
> > > > > > > >>>>
> > > > > > > >>>>
> > > > > > > >>>>
> > > > > > > >>>> On Mon, Apr 22, 2019 at 1:09 PM Ning Wang <
> > > [email protected]
> > > > >
> > > > > > > wrote:
> > > > > > > >>>>
> > > > > > > >>>>> Cool.
> > > > > > > >>>>>
> > > > > > > >>>>> On Mon, Apr 22, 2019 at 10:31 AM Josh Fischer <
> > > > > [email protected]
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > >>>>> wrote:
> > > > > > > >>>>>
> > > > > > > >>>>>> I do too.  I’ll resend the email and try to move forward
> > > this
> > > > > > week.
> > > > > > > >>>>> Ning,
> > > > > > > >>>>>> If I get stuck Ill Let you know.
> > > > > > > >>>>>>
> > > > > > > >>>>>> On Mon, Apr 22, 2019 at 12:02 PM Ning Wang <
> > > > > [email protected]>
> > > > > > > >>>>> wrote:
> > > > > > > >>>>>>
> > > > > > > >>>>>>> Nice! I have access to Jenkins. Please let me know if
> you
> > > > need
> > > > > > > helps
> > > > > > > >>>>> from
> > > > > > > >>>>>>> me.
> > > > > > > >>>>>>>
> > > > > > > >>>>>>> On Mon, Apr 22, 2019 at 9:40 AM Josh Fischer <
> > > > > > [email protected]>
> > > > > > > >>>>>> wrote:
> > > > > > > >>>>>>>
> > > > > > > >>>>>>>> Just an update on the heron doc website. The actual
> > > website
> > > > > > build
> > > > > > > >>>>> has
> > > > > > > >>>>>>> been
> > > > > > > >>>>>>>> fixed. I sent an email out to [email protected]
> asking
> > > > about
> > > > > > how
> > > > > > > to
> > > > > > > >>>>>>>> implement the process and describing what we would
> need
> > in
> > > > the
> > > > > > > >>>>> server
> > > > > > > >>>>>> to
> > > > > > > >>>>>>>> build about a week ago.  I didn’t get a reply back, I
> > will
> > > > try
> > > > > > > again
> > > > > > > >>>>>> this
> > > > > > > >>>>>>>> week.
> > > > > > > >>>>>>>>
> > > > > > > >>>>>>>>
> > > > > > > >>>>>>>> On Wed, Apr 3, 2019 at 9:08 PM Ning Wang <
> > > > > [email protected]>
> > > > > > > >>>>> wrote:
> > > > > > > >>>>>>>>
> > > > > > > >>>>>>>>> Great!
> > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>
> > > > > > > >>>>>>>>> On Wed, Apr 3, 2019 at 4:25 PM Josh Fischer <
> > > > > > [email protected]
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > >>>>>>> wrote:
> > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>
> > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>> Yes I think I am all set up now. Thank you for your
> > > help.
> > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>
> > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>> - Josh
> > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>
> > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>> On Wed, Apr 3, 2019 at 3:48 PM Dave Fisher <
> > > > > > > >>>>> [email protected]>
> > > > > > > >>>>>>>>> wrote:
> > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>
> > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>> Hi Josh,
> > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>
> > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>> I see you in the group. Are you all set?
> > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>
> > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>> Regards,
> > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>> Dave
> > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>
> > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>> On Apr 3, 2019, at 12:02 PM, Dave Fisher <
> > > > > > > >>>>>> [email protected]>
> > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>> wrote:
> > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>
> > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>> Email stripped the image out. Please send it
> > directly.
> > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>
> > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>> On Apr 3, 2019, at 11:54 AM, Josh Fischer <
> > > > > > > >>>>>> [email protected]>
> > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>> wrote:
> > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>
> > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>> Ok went to that link and nothing and authed with
> > > > apache,
> > > > > > > >>>>> GH,
> > > > > > > >>>>>> and
> > > > > > > >>>>>>>> saw
> > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>> confirmation of repos.  Still no access via UI or
> > CLI.
> > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>> Image attached.
> > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>
> > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>
> > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>> On Wed, Apr 3, 2019 at 1:46 PM Dave Fisher <
> > > > > > > >>>>>>> [email protected]
> > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>> <mailto:[email protected]>> wrote:
> > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>> Infra has a question:
> > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>
> > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>> Could you please have him submit a screenshot of
> > what
> > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>> https://gitbox.apache.org/setup/ <
> > > > > > > >>>>>> https://gitbox.apache.org/setup/
> > > > > > > >>>>>>>>
> > > > > > > >>>>>>>>> says
> > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>> after he has authed? He may need to reset his
> github
> > > > > linking
> > > > > > > >>>>>> (reset
> > > > > > > >>>>>>>>> link
> > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>> in
> > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>> the middle box of the setup page.)
> > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>
> > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>> Regards,
> > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>> Dave
> > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>
> > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Apr 3, 2019, at 11:19 AM, Dave Fisher <
> > > > > > > >>>>>>> [email protected]
> > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>> <mailto:[email protected]>> wrote:
> > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> It looks like you are missing from the heron
> > > > committers
> > > > > > > >>>>> group
> > > > > > > >>>>>>> on
> > > > > > > >>>>>>>>> Git
> > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>> Hub. I’m asking Infra why on Slack. If no answer
> soon
> > > > then
> > > > > > > >>>>> I’ll
> > > > > > > >>>>>>> file
> > > > > > > >>>>>>>> a
> > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>> JIRA.
> > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Anyone else having issues?
> > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Apr 3, 2019, at 11:03 AM, Josh Fischer <
> > > > > > > >>>>>>> [email protected]
> > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>> <mailto:[email protected]>> wrote:
> > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I do have 2FA enabled.  I've also tried to log
> > in/
> > > > log
> > > > > > > >>>>> out.
> > > > > > > >>>>>>> No
> > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>> success.
> > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Any suggestions on who I should contact to help
> > > > > diagnose
> > > > > > > >>>>> and
> > > > > > > >>>>>>>> fix?
> > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Wed, Apr 3, 2019 at 12:58 PM Dave Fisher <
> > > > > > > >>>>>>>>> [email protected]
> > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>> <mailto:[email protected]>> wrote:
> > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Apr 3, 2019, at 10:49 AM, Josh Fischer <
> > > > > > > >>>>>>>> [email protected]
> > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>> <mailto:[email protected]>> wrote:
> > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Thanks for the info Dave.  I have a couple of
> > > > > > > >>>>> responses to
> > > > > > > >>>>>>>> your
> > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> questions.
> > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> (1) Does the project wish to create
> > documentation
> > > > in
> > > > > a
> > > > > > > >>>>> new
> > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>> repository -
> > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> say
> > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> apache/incubator-heron-site
> > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>   Or should the build use an asf-site branch
> in
> > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> apache/incubator-heron which just keeps the
> > > > deployed
> > > > > > > >>>>>>> content.
> > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> ** The site build is currently dependent on
> > Bazel
> > > > to
> > > > > > > >>>>>>> generate
> > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>> Javadocs.
> > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I
> > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> think we should just have a "asf-site" branch
> > > that
> > > > is
> > > > > > > >>>>> used
> > > > > > > >>>>>>>>> within
> > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>> the
> > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> current repo to serve static files from as it
> > > would
> > > > > > > >>>>>> require
> > > > > > > >>>>>>>> less
> > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>> moving
> > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> parts.  Not sure if that would cause any
> issues
> > > > with
> > > > > > > >>>>> the
> > > > > > > >>>>>>>> current
> > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>> setup
> > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> though.  I was asking Ning a similar question
> > on
> > > > how
> > > > > to
> > > > > > > >>>>>> set
> > > > > > > >>>>>>>> this
> > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>> up
> > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> since I
> > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> don't have write access to the repo yet.Hi -
> > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Really? - Have you enabled 2FA on GitHub for
> > your
> > > > > > > >>>>>>>> joshfischer1108
> > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>> username?
> > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I recommend that you get access fixed and then
> > > work
> > > > on
> > > > > > > >>>>>> doing
> > > > > > > >>>>>>>> the
> > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>> build
> > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> locally. Once you have that we can work on the
> > > > Jenkins
> > > > > > > >>>>>> build
> > > > > > > >>>>>>>> with
> > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>> triggers.
> > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> (2) Does the website Jenkins box already
> > support
> > > > the
> > > > > > > >>>>> build
> > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>> requirements.
> > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> ** I will look into this.
> > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Ask on the-asf.slack.com <
> > > http://the-asf.slack.com/
> > > > >
> > > > > > > >>>>>>>> #asfinfra -
> > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>> tell them it is for a gitpubsub
> > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> website build.
> > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Regards,
> > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Dave
> > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Wed, Apr 3, 2019 at 10:43 AM Dave Fisher <
> > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>> [email protected]
> > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>> <mailto:[email protected]>>
> > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> wrote:
> > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Hi -
> > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> TL:DR - The project should definitely use
> > > > gitpubsub
> > > > > > > >>>>>>> approach.
> > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Mar 28, 2019, at 7:08 PM, Josh Fischer <
> > > > > > > >>>>>>>>> [email protected]
> > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>> <mailto:[email protected]>> wrote:
> > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> How does everyone want to manage publishing
> > the
> > > > > site?
> > > > > > > >>>>>>> After
> > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>> looking at
> > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the
> > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> docs it seems there are 3 options.  Being
> > that
> > > we
> > > > > are
> > > > > > > >>>>>>> using
> > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>> git, I
> > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> would
> > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> thing that gitsubpub would be the path of
> > least
> > > > > > > >>>>>>>> resistance?...
> > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>> But I
> > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> can't
> > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> find much on how to create the jenkins job.
> > > > Maybe
> > > > > > > >>>>> this
> > > > > > > >>>>>> is
> > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>> listed
> > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> somewhere
> > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> else in the documentation?  Does anyone
> have
> > > > other
> > > > > > > >>>>>>>> suggestions
> > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>> or
> > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> ideas?
> > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Here is link to the guidelines ->
> > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> http://www.apache.org/dev/project-site.html
> > <
> > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>> http://www.apache.org/dev/project-site.html>. I
> copy
> > > and
> > > > > > > >>>>> pasted
> > > > > > > >>>>>>> some
> > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> info
> > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> below on the different methods of website
> > > > > publishing
> > > > > > > >>>>> for
> > > > > > > >>>>>>>> quick
> > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> reference.
> > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> - Apache CMS, which provides a simple
> > > > browser-based
> > > > > > > >>>>> user
> > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>> interface for
> > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> editing, staging and publishing site
> content
> > in
> > > > > > > >>>>>> Markdown,
> > > > > > > >>>>>>>> HTML
> > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>> or
> > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>> any
> > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> other
> > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> source format for which support has been
> > added.
> > > > See
> > > > > > > >>>>> the
> > > > > > > >>>>>>> CMS
> > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>> reference
> > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> <https://www.apache.org/dev/cmsref <
> > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>> https://www.apache.org/dev/cmsref>> and adoption
> > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> <https://www.apache.org/dev/cmsadoption <
> > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>> https://www.apache.org/dev/cmsadoption>> for more
> > > > details.
> > > > > > > >>>>> The
> > > > > > > >>>>>>>> Apache
> > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> CMS uses svnpubsub as the underlying
> > mechanism
> > > > for
> > > > > > > >>>>>>>> publishing
> > > > > > > >>>>>>>>> a
> > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>> site.
> > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> While this was home grown in Apache and all
> > the
> > > > rage
> > > > > > > >>>>> 7-8
> > > > > > > >>>>>>>> years
> > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>> ago
> > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>> when
> > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I
> > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> used this to port over OpenOffice.org with a
> > > > reskin.
> > > > > > > >>>>> This
> > > > > > > >>>>>>>>> should
> > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>> not be
> > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> used. Infra wants people to stop and there
> are
> > > > > > > >>>>> occasional
> > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>> publishing
> > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> issues.
> > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> - svnpubsub, which allows the static
> contents
> > > of
> > > > a
> > > > > > > >>>>>>>> designated
> > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>> svn
> > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> folder
> > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> (example <
> > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>
> > > http://svn.apache.org/repos/asf/ant/site/ant/production/
> > > > <
> > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>
> > > http://svn.apache.org/repos/asf/ant/site/ant/production/
> > > > > >>)
> > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> to
> > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> automatically published as the project web
> > site
> > > > at
> > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> http://project.apache.org/ <
> > > > > > > >>>>> http://project.apache.org/
> > > > > > > >>>>>>> .
> > > > > > > >>>>>>>> The
> > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>> project team can use any site build
> > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> mechanism it wants as long as the above
> > > > > requirements
> > > > > > > >>>>> are
> > > > > > > >>>>>>>> met.
> > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> The CMS also uses svnpubsub. Not many new
> > > projects
> > > > > or
> > > > > > > >>>>>>>> podlings
> > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>> are
> > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>> using
> > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Subversion other than as required for
> > releases.
> > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> - gitpubsub, which allows the static
> contents
> > > of
> > > > a
> > > > > > > >>>>>>>> designated
> > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>> git
> > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> repository to be served as the website for
> a
> > > > > project.
> > > > > > > >>>>>> git
> > > > > > > >>>>>>>>> based
> > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> websites
> > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> are typically maintained in a asf-site
> branch
> > > to
> > > > be
> > > > > > > >>>>>>>> published
> > > > > > > >>>>>>>>> as
> > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> https://project.apache.org <
> > > > > > > >>>>> https://project.apache.org/
> > > > > > > >>>>>>> .
> > > > > > > >>>>>>>>> They
> > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>> can be hosted from your primary
> > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> project
> > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> repo. Typically these will be built as a
> > > jenkins
> > > > > job
> > > > > > > >>>>> or
> > > > > > > >>>>>> a
> > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>> buildbot
> > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> job. It
> > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> is recommended that you only have a single
> > > writer
> > > > > to
> > > > > > > >>>>> the
> > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>> asf-site
> > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> branch to
> > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> avoid potential conflicts.
> > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I’ve just revised the Incubator’s site build
> > > since
> > > > > we
> > > > > > > >>>>>> have
> > > > > > > >>>>>>> a
> > > > > > > >>>>>>>>> mix
> > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>> of svn
> > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> legacy, current analysis and git static
> > content.
> > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> See https://github.com/apache/incubator <
> > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>> https://github.com/apache/incubator> and the
> > > README.md.
> > > > > This
> > > > > > > >>>>> is
> > > > > > > >>>>>> a
> > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> jBake site with two Jenkins build steps.
> > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> This should be the approach. Two areas for
> > > further
> > > > > > > >>>>>>>> discussion.
> > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> (1) Does the project wish to create
> > > documentation
> > > > > in a
> > > > > > > >>>>>> new
> > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>> repository -
> > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> say apache/incubator-heron-site
> > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>   Or should the build use an asf-site branch
> > in
> > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> apache/incubator-heron which just keeps the
> > > > deployed
> > > > > > > >>>>>>> content.
> > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> (2) Does the website Jenkins box already
> > support
> > > > the
> > > > > > > >>>>>> build
> > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>> requirements.
> > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Hugo --- Static site generator
> > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> GulpJS --- Build tool for static assets
> > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Twitter Bootstrap --- Sass/CSS and
> > JavaScript
> > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Documentation Setup
> > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Running the Heron documentation locally
> > > requires
> > > > > > > >>>>> that
> > > > > > > >>>>>> you
> > > > > > > >>>>>>>>> have
> > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>> the
> > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> following installed:
> > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Make
> > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Node.js
> > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> npm
> > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> pip - install PyYAML>=3.12
> > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Go (make sure that your GOPATH and GOROOT
> > are
> > > > set)
> > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> What versions of the above and we can check
> > with
> > > > > Infra
> > > > > > > >>>>>>>> through
> > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>> the
> > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> [email protected] <mailto:[email protected]
> >
> > > > email.
> > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Regards,
> > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Dave
> > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Fri, Mar 22, 2019 at 10:50 AM Josh
> > Fischer
> > > <
> > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>> [email protected] <mailto:[email protected]>>
> > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> wrote:
> > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I have some time free over the next
> week, I
> > > can
> > > > > > > >>>>> look
> > > > > > > >>>>>>> into
> > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>> fixing the
> > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> build.. However, I think we should figure
> > out
> > > > the
> > > > > > > >>>>> repo
> > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>> situation
> > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> first
> > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> with
> > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the submodule that is tied to the
> > > > documentation.
> > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> My responses are in *bold.  *
> > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Fri, Mar 22, 2019 at 12:26 PM Dave
> > Fisher
> > > <
> > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>> [email protected] <mailto:
> [email protected]
> > >>
> > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> wrote:
> > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Hi -
> > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Thanks for asking. This has been on my
> > list
> > > to
> > > > > > > >>>>>> discuss
> > > > > > > >>>>>>>> with
> > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>> the
> > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Heron
> > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> community.
> > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> The website is seriously non-compliant.
> > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Mar 22, 2019, at 9:38 AM, Josh
> > Fischer <
> > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>> [email protected] <mailto:[email protected]>>
> > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> wrote:
> > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Hey All,
> > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> With the heavy lifting behind us on the
> > > Bazel
> > > > > > > >>>>>>> upgrade, I
> > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>> think the
> > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> next
> > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> task we should tackle is fixing the
> > public
> > > > > docs.
> > > > > > > >>>>> I
> > > > > > > >>>>>>> have
> > > > > > > >>>>>>>> a
> > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>> few
> > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> questions
> > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> about them.
> > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 1. Are they still to be served from GH
> > > pages?
> > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> No.
> > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 2. If not where do they need to live?
> > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> It should be on Apache servers as
> > > > > > > >>>>> heron.apache.org <
> > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>> http://heron.apache.org/> <
> > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> http://heron.apache.org/ <
> > > > > > > >>>>> http://heron.apache.org/>>
> > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Many projects build through Jenkins.
> There
> > > are
> > > > > > > >>>>>>>> requirements
> > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>> for the
> > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> site
> > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> which are scanned.
> > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> There is a page here (needs some
> updates)
> > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> > > > https://incubator.apache.org/guides/sites.html
> > > > > <
> > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>> https://incubator.apache.org/guides/sites.html> <
> > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> > > > https://incubator.apache.org/guides/sites.html
> > > > > <
> > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>> https://incubator.apache.org/guides/sites.html>>
> > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Some projects keep a separate GitHub
> > > > repository
> > > > > > > >>>>> for
> > > > > > > >>>>>>> their
> > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>> website.
> > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> *  I would recommend  that we move the
> docs
> > > out
> > > > > of
> > > > > > > >>>>>> this
> > > > > > > >>>>>>>> repo
> > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>> or
> > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>> at
> > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> least
> > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> remove the submodule.  Working within the
> > > > > submodule
> > > > > > > >>>>>> has
> > > > > > > >>>>>>>> been
> > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>> quite a
> > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> difficult task.*
> > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> There is a lot wrong with the current
> > > website.
> > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> This page was put onto the Incubator
> > website
> > > > > this
> > > > > > > >>>>>> week.
> > > > > > > >>>>>>>>> (It’s
> > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>> been
> > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> my
> > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> “distraction” the last few weeks.)
> > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> > > > > > > >>>>>> https://incubator.apache.org/clutch/heron.html#errata
> > > > > > > >>>>>>> <
> > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>
> > https://incubator.apache.org/clutch/heron.html#errata>
> > > <
> > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> > > > > > > >>>>>> https://incubator.apache.org/clutch/heron.html#errata
> > > > > > > >>>>>>> <
> > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>
> > https://incubator.apache.org/clutch/heron.html#errata
> > > >>
> > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Check out that almost all ASF links,
> > > > trademarks,
> > > > > > > >>>>>>>>> disclaimer,
> > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>> and
> > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> copyrights are not correct on a site
> scan
> > > that
> > > > > is
> > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>> periodically
> > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> performed.
> > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> > > https://whimsy.apache.org/pods/project/heron
> > > > <
> > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>> https://whimsy.apache.org/pods/project/heron> <
> > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> > > https://whimsy.apache.org/pods/project/heron
> > > > <
> > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>> https://whimsy.apache.org/pods/project/heron>>
> > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 3. If I remember correctly, some steps
> in
> > > the
> > > > > > > >>>>>> Makefile
> > > > > > > >>>>>>>> are
> > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> currently
> > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> broken for building the static assets.
> > > Once
> > > > > > > >>>>> those
> > > > > > > >>>>>>>> issues
> > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>> are
> > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> resolved
> > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> is
> > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> there anything else we need to do to
> > > release
> > > > > new
> > > > > > > >>>>> set
> > > > > > > >>>>>>> of
> > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>> docs?
> > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Follow what I listed on 2.
> > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> What technology is used to build assets
> > > > > currently?
> > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> *   It looks like is a mix of
> > technologies..
> > > > The
> > > > > > > >>>>> main
> > > > > > > >>>>>>> one
> > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>> being
> > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Gulp.
> > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> For generating java docs Bazel is used to
> > > query
> > > > > > > >>>>>> targets.
> > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>> Generating
> > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> python
> > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> docs pdoc is used.    *
> > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 4. Does updating the docs require a
> vote?
> > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Not normally. The Podling can decide if
> > you
> > > > want
> > > > > > > >>>>> to
> > > > > > > >>>>>> use
> > > > > > > >>>>>>>> RTC
> > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>> or
> > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>> CTR.
> > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Since
> > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> everything is in version control I would
> > > lean
> > > > to
> > > > > > > >>>>> CTR!
> > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Regards,
> > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Dave
> > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> - Josh
> > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>
> > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>
> > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>
> > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>> --
> > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>> Sent from A Mobile Device
> > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>
> > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>
> > > > > > > >>>>>>>> --
> > > > > > > >>>>>>>> Sent from A Mobile Device
> > > > > > > >>>>>>>>
> > > > > > > >>>>>>>
> > > > > > > >>>>>> --
> > > > > > > >>>>>> Sent from A Mobile Device
> > > > > > > >>>>>>
> > > > > > > >>>>>
> > > > > > > >>>>
> > > > > > > >>
> > > > > > > >>
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > >
> > > >
> > >
> >
>

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