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Deprecating Hive CLI: https://www.surveymonkey.com/s/XFHLM57 Results: https://www.surveymonkey.com/results/SM-JHYY5DR9/ On Mon, Apr 27, 2015 at 2:23 PM, Alexander Pivovarov <apivova...@gmail.com> wrote: > Xuefu, > > I'm just saying that most of the shells (e.g. mysql or accumulo) reserve > -u for user. > > I believe lots of stuff in Hive take MySQL as an example. > > Alex > > > On Mon, Apr 27, 2015 at 2:14 PM, Xuefu Zhang <xzh...@cloudera.com> wrote: > >> Alex, >> >> Just to be sure, we are talking about replace Hive CLI, not mysql and >> accumulo command line shells. Thus, I'm not sure this is relavent. >> Regardless, I think we'd better have some writeup in the proposed uber >> JIRA >> so that everyone knows what we are signing up. >> >> Thanks, >> Xuefu >> >> On Mon, Apr 27, 2015 at 12:57 PM, Alexander Pivovarov < >> apivova...@gmail.com> >> wrote: >> >> > Mysql and accumulo command line shells use -u to pass <user> >> > >> > Can beeline use -u as well? Currently -u is reserved for URL? >> > On Apr 27, 2015 12:42 PM, "Xuefu Zhang" <xzh...@cloudera.com> wrote: >> > >> > > Thanks to all for the input. I assume that we have a consensus that >> we'd >> > > like to keep Hive as an alias to beeline with embedded HS2 and make >> user >> > > transition as smooth as possible by identifying gaps and fixing >> issues. >> > I'm >> > > going to create an umbrella JIRA and subtasks to track the progress. >> > Please >> > > let me know if you have further questions. >> > > >> > > Thanks, >> > > Xuefu >> > > >> > > On Sat, Apr 25, 2015 at 12:59 AM, Lars Francke < >> lars.fran...@gmail.com> >> > > wrote: >> > > >> > > > Yes, well put. It is about usability and "least surprise". >> > > > >> > > > So if people wouldn't have to deal with JDBC syntax by default and >> > could >> > > > use "hive" instead of "beeline" to start that'd be good. >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > On Sat, Apr 25, 2015 at 12:38 AM, Alan Gates <alanfga...@gmail.com> >> > > wrote: >> > > > >> > > >> If I understand correctly this is an argument about usability, not >> > > >> functionality. So if Hive still had the CLI but it happened to use >> > > either >> > > >> HS2 or embedded HS2 (depending on configuration) underneath your >> > > concerns >> > > >> would be addressed. Is that correct? >> > > >> >> > > >> Alan. >> > > >> >> > > >> Lars Francke <lars.fran...@gmail.com> >> > > >> April 23, 2015 at 15:53 >> > > >> I've been at about 20 different customers in the years since >> Beeline >> > has >> > > >> been added. I can only think of a single one that has used beeline. >> > The >> > > >> instinct is to use "hive", partially because it is easy to remember >> > and >> > > >> intuitive and because it is easier to use. I end up googling the >> > stupid >> > > >> JDBC syntax every single time. >> > > >> >> > > >> I know this might be a bit "out there" but I propose something >> else: >> > > >> 1) Rename (or link) "beeline" to "hive" >> > > >> 2) Add a "--hiveserver2" (or "--jdbc" or "--beeline") option to the >> > > >> "hive" command to get the current "beeline", this'd keep the CLI as >> > > >> default, we could also add a "--legacy" or "--cli" option and make >> > > >> "hiveserver2/beeline" the default. >> > > >> 3) Add a "--embedded-hs2" option to the "hive" command to get an >> > > embedded >> > > >> HS2 in Beeline >> > > >> 4) Add some documentation to beeline reminding people on startup of >> > > >> beeline on how to connect and how to use embedded mode >> > > >> >> > > >> The fact is that the old shell just works for lots of people and >> > there's >> > > >> just no need for beeline for these people. Also the name is >> confusing >> > - >> > > >> especially for non-native speakers. It's not a common word so it's >> not >> > > easy >> > > >> to remember. >> > > >> >> > > >> >> > > >> Alan Gates <alanfga...@gmail.com> >> > > >> April 23, 2015 at 15:35 >> > > >> Xuefu, thanks for getting this discussion started. Limiting our >> code >> > > >> paths is definitely a plus. My inclination would be to go towards >> > > option >> > > >> 2. A few questions: >> > > >> >> > > >> 1) Is there any functionality in CLI that's not in beeline? >> > > >> 2) If I understand correctly option 2 would have an implicit HS2 in >> > > >> process when a user runs the CLI. Would this be available in >> option 1 >> > > as >> > > >> well? >> > > >> 3) Are there any performance implications, since now commands have >> to >> > > hop >> > > >> through a thrift/jdbc loop even in the embedded mode? >> > > >> 4) If we choose option 2 how backward compatible can we make it? >> Will >> > > >> users need to change any scripts they have that use the CLI? Do we >> > have >> > > >> tests that will make sure of this? >> > > >> >> > > >> Alan. >> > > >> >> > > >> Xuefu Zhang <xzh...@cloudera.com> >> > > >> April 23, 2015 at 14:43 >> > > >> Hi all, >> > > >> >> > > >> I'd like to revive the discussion about the fate of Hive CLI, as >> this >> > > >> topic >> > > >> has haunted us several times including [1][2]. It looks to me that >> > there >> > > >> is >> > > >> a consensus that it's not wise for Hive community to keep both Hive >> > CLI >> > > as >> > > >> it is as well as Beeline + HS2. However, I don't believe that no >> > action >> > > is >> > > >> the best action for us. From discussion so far, I see the following >> > > >> proposals: >> > > >> >> > > >> 1. Deprecating Hive CLI and advise that users use Beeline. >> > > >> 2. Make Hive CLI as naming flavor to beeline with embedded mode. >> > > >> >> > > >> Frankly, I don't see much difference between the two approaches. >> > Keeping >> > > >> an >> > > >> alias at script or even code level isn't that much work. However, >> > > >> shouldn't >> > > >> we pick a direction and start moving to it? If there is any gaps >> > between >> > > >> beeline embedded and Hive CLI, we should identify and fill in >> those. >> > > >> >> > > >> I'd love to hear the thoughts from the community and hope this >> time we >> > > >> will >> > > >> have concrete action items to work on. >> > > >> >> > > >> Thanks, >> > > >> Xuefu >> > > >> >> > > >> [1] >> > > >> >> > > >> >> > > >> > >> http://mail-archives.apache.org/mod_mbox/hive-dev/201412.mbox/%3C5485E1BE.3060709%40hortonworks.com%3E >> > > >> [2] >> https://www.mail-archive.com/dev@hive.apache.org/msg112378.html >> > > >> >> > > >> >> > > > >> > > >> > >> > >
