To be precise, the proposal is NOT deprecating, but more of changing the implementation of the Hive CLI using beeline, which seems in consensus.
On Mon, Apr 27, 2015 at 2:47 PM, Alexander Pivovarov <apivova...@gmail.com> wrote: > I just started the survey on Deprecating Hive CLI. Please share you > opinion. > > Deprecating Hive CLI: > https://www.surveymonkey.com/s/XFHLM57 > > Results: > https://www.surveymonkey.com/results/SM-JHYY5DR9/ > > > On Mon, Apr 27, 2015 at 2:23 PM, Alexander Pivovarov <apivova...@gmail.com > > > wrote: > > > Xuefu, > > > > I'm just saying that most of the shells (e.g. mysql or accumulo) reserve > > -u for user. > > > > I believe lots of stuff in Hive take MySQL as an example. > > > > Alex > > > > > > On Mon, Apr 27, 2015 at 2:14 PM, Xuefu Zhang <xzh...@cloudera.com> > wrote: > > > >> Alex, > >> > >> Just to be sure, we are talking about replace Hive CLI, not mysql and > >> accumulo command line shells. Thus, I'm not sure this is relavent. > >> Regardless, I think we'd better have some writeup in the proposed uber > >> JIRA > >> so that everyone knows what we are signing up. > >> > >> Thanks, > >> Xuefu > >> > >> On Mon, Apr 27, 2015 at 12:57 PM, Alexander Pivovarov < > >> apivova...@gmail.com> > >> wrote: > >> > >> > Mysql and accumulo command line shells use -u to pass <user> > >> > > >> > Can beeline use -u as well? Currently -u is reserved for URL? > >> > On Apr 27, 2015 12:42 PM, "Xuefu Zhang" <xzh...@cloudera.com> wrote: > >> > > >> > > Thanks to all for the input. I assume that we have a consensus that > >> we'd > >> > > like to keep Hive as an alias to beeline with embedded HS2 and make > >> user > >> > > transition as smooth as possible by identifying gaps and fixing > >> issues. > >> > I'm > >> > > going to create an umbrella JIRA and subtasks to track the progress. > >> > Please > >> > > let me know if you have further questions. > >> > > > >> > > Thanks, > >> > > Xuefu > >> > > > >> > > On Sat, Apr 25, 2015 at 12:59 AM, Lars Francke < > >> lars.fran...@gmail.com> > >> > > wrote: > >> > > > >> > > > Yes, well put. It is about usability and "least surprise". > >> > > > > >> > > > So if people wouldn't have to deal with JDBC syntax by default and > >> > could > >> > > > use "hive" instead of "beeline" to start that'd be good. > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > On Sat, Apr 25, 2015 at 12:38 AM, Alan Gates < > alanfga...@gmail.com> > >> > > wrote: > >> > > > > >> > > >> If I understand correctly this is an argument about usability, > not > >> > > >> functionality. So if Hive still had the CLI but it happened to > use > >> > > either > >> > > >> HS2 or embedded HS2 (depending on configuration) underneath your > >> > > concerns > >> > > >> would be addressed. Is that correct? > >> > > >> > >> > > >> Alan. > >> > > >> > >> > > >> Lars Francke <lars.fran...@gmail.com> > >> > > >> April 23, 2015 at 15:53 > >> > > >> I've been at about 20 different customers in the years since > >> Beeline > >> > has > >> > > >> been added. I can only think of a single one that has used > beeline. > >> > The > >> > > >> instinct is to use "hive", partially because it is easy to > remember > >> > and > >> > > >> intuitive and because it is easier to use. I end up googling the > >> > stupid > >> > > >> JDBC syntax every single time. > >> > > >> > >> > > >> I know this might be a bit "out there" but I propose something > >> else: > >> > > >> 1) Rename (or link) "beeline" to "hive" > >> > > >> 2) Add a "--hiveserver2" (or "--jdbc" or "--beeline") option to > the > >> > > >> "hive" command to get the current "beeline", this'd keep the CLI > as > >> > > >> default, we could also add a "--legacy" or "--cli" option and > make > >> > > >> "hiveserver2/beeline" the default. > >> > > >> 3) Add a "--embedded-hs2" option to the "hive" command to get an > >> > > embedded > >> > > >> HS2 in Beeline > >> > > >> 4) Add some documentation to beeline reminding people on startup > of > >> > > >> beeline on how to connect and how to use embedded mode > >> > > >> > >> > > >> The fact is that the old shell just works for lots of people and > >> > there's > >> > > >> just no need for beeline for these people. Also the name is > >> confusing > >> > - > >> > > >> especially for non-native speakers. It's not a common word so > it's > >> not > >> > > easy > >> > > >> to remember. > >> > > >> > >> > > >> > >> > > >> Alan Gates <alanfga...@gmail.com> > >> > > >> April 23, 2015 at 15:35 > >> > > >> Xuefu, thanks for getting this discussion started. Limiting our > >> code > >> > > >> paths is definitely a plus. My inclination would be to go > towards > >> > > option > >> > > >> 2. A few questions: > >> > > >> > >> > > >> 1) Is there any functionality in CLI that's not in beeline? > >> > > >> 2) If I understand correctly option 2 would have an implicit HS2 > in > >> > > >> process when a user runs the CLI. Would this be available in > >> option 1 > >> > > as > >> > > >> well? > >> > > >> 3) Are there any performance implications, since now commands > have > >> to > >> > > hop > >> > > >> through a thrift/jdbc loop even in the embedded mode? > >> > > >> 4) If we choose option 2 how backward compatible can we make it? > >> Will > >> > > >> users need to change any scripts they have that use the CLI? Do > we > >> > have > >> > > >> tests that will make sure of this? > >> > > >> > >> > > >> Alan. > >> > > >> > >> > > >> Xuefu Zhang <xzh...@cloudera.com> > >> > > >> April 23, 2015 at 14:43 > >> > > >> Hi all, > >> > > >> > >> > > >> I'd like to revive the discussion about the fate of Hive CLI, as > >> this > >> > > >> topic > >> > > >> has haunted us several times including [1][2]. It looks to me > that > >> > there > >> > > >> is > >> > > >> a consensus that it's not wise for Hive community to keep both > Hive > >> > CLI > >> > > as > >> > > >> it is as well as Beeline + HS2. However, I don't believe that no > >> > action > >> > > is > >> > > >> the best action for us. From discussion so far, I see the > following > >> > > >> proposals: > >> > > >> > >> > > >> 1. Deprecating Hive CLI and advise that users use Beeline. > >> > > >> 2. Make Hive CLI as naming flavor to beeline with embedded mode. > >> > > >> > >> > > >> Frankly, I don't see much difference between the two approaches. > >> > Keeping > >> > > >> an > >> > > >> alias at script or even code level isn't that much work. However, > >> > > >> shouldn't > >> > > >> we pick a direction and start moving to it? If there is any gaps > >> > between > >> > > >> beeline embedded and Hive CLI, we should identify and fill in > >> those. > >> > > >> > >> > > >> I'd love to hear the thoughts from the community and hope this > >> time we > >> > > >> will > >> > > >> have concrete action items to work on. > >> > > >> > >> > > >> Thanks, > >> > > >> Xuefu > >> > > >> > >> > > >> [1] > >> > > >> > >> > > >> > >> > > > >> > > >> > http://mail-archives.apache.org/mod_mbox/hive-dev/201412.mbox/%3C5485E1BE.3060709%40hortonworks.com%3E > >> > > >> [2] > >> https://www.mail-archive.com/dev@hive.apache.org/msg112378.html > >> > > >> > >> > > >> > >> > > > > >> > > > >> > > >> > > > > >