Hi Huaxin,
I'll start a new thread on parquet-dev.
Thank you,
André Rosa

On Wed, Sep 17, 2025 at 5:39 PM huaxin gao <huaxin.ga...@gmail.com> wrote:

> Thanks André for raising this!
> +1 to adding write.parquet.bloom-filter-ndv.column.<col> to configure
> NDV. For the “FPP without NDV” case, let’s defer to the Parquet community
> (error vs ignore vs default NDV); Iceberg will follow their decision. Would
> you like to start a thread on parquet-dev, or I’m happy to do it?
>
> Thanks,
> Huaxin
>
> On Wed, Sep 17, 2025 at 3:46 AM André Rosa <andre.r...@dremio.com.invalid>
> wrote:
>
>> Hello everyone,
>> while working on a parquet writer, I found an issue related to the bloom
>> filter table properties.
>>
>> Currently, the iceberg specification
>> <https://iceberg.apache.org/docs/latest/configuration/#write-properties>
>> defines 3 table properties for configuring bloom filters:
>>
>> write.parquet.bloom-filter-enabled.column.col1
>>
>> (not set)
>>
>> Hint to parquet to write a bloom filter for the column: 'col1'
>>
>> write.parquet.bloom-filter-max-bytes
>>
>> 1048576 (1 MB)
>>
>> The maximum number of bytes for a bloom filter bitset
>>
>> write.parquet.bloom-filter-fpp.column.col1
>>
>> 0.01
>>
>> The false positive probability for a bloom filter applied to 'col1' (must
>> > 0.0 and < 1.0)
>>
>> Looking at the parquet-java implementation
>> <https://github.com/apache/parquet-java/blob/36a5f9cf8c1ce2c19631a0ec376665c5e41ea215/parquet-column/src/main/java/org/apache/parquet/column/impl/ColumnValueCollector.java#L179-L192>,
>> the fpp value for a given column is ignored if the ndv for that column is
>> not specified.
>>
>> Being that the iceberg spec does not define a property for this and that
>> there is no default, the implementation always ignores the fpp property and 
>> uses
>> the bloom-filter-max-bytes as the exact size instead
>> <https://github.com/apache/parquet-java/blob/299b0aea128645312badc329479920ddf8736577/parquet-column/src/main/java/org/apache/parquet/column/values/bloomfilter/BlockSplitBloomFilter.java#L205-L217>
>> (if the bloom filter is enabled for the column).
>>
>>
>> My proposal is to define a new table property
>> 'write.parquet.bloom-filter-ndv.column.col1' in the spec to enable
>> configuring the ndv to use.
>>
>> In addition, it also should be discussed if not specifying the ndv but
>> specifying the fpp should be a config "error" (or simply ignored like
>> parquet-java is doing) or if it should use a default ndv instead.
>>
>> What do you think should be done regarding this?
>>
>> Best regards,
>> André Rosa
>>
>

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