Peter,

I think we need to have a broader discussion around adding narrower types.
This probably deserves its own DISCUSS thread (not buried in a sync follow
up).

-Dan

On Thu, Oct 15, 2026 at 2:01 PM Péter Váry <[email protected]>
wrote:

> Hi Philipp,
>
> We’re working on vector indexes on top of the upcoming index framework,
> primarily for AI workloads. Supporting int8 and float16 vectors is a must
> for these use cases.
>
> The main motivation is vectors, but I’m not convinced these should be
> vector-specific types. Since int8 and float16 are well-defined scalar types
> that Iceberg would need to support as vector elements anyway, I think it’s
> cleaner to make them regular primitive types rather than special-case them
> as only valid inside vectors.
>
> This is also the feedback I heard during the community sync and my
> discussions at ApacheCon.
>
> Thanks,
> Peter
>
>
> Philipp Fischbeck via dev <[email protected]> ezt írta (időpont:
> 2026. okt. 15., Cs, 17:54):
>
>> Hi Peter,
>>
>> I see that in the current draft, you suggest adding int8 and float16 as
>> primitive Iceberg types overall, not just vector element types. I don't
>> think this is the right approach because I don't see how engines would use
>> these types outside of vectors. Do you have use cases in mind here?
>>
>> One alternative (as discussed in the design doc and during calls) would
>> be to allow such types only as vector element types. We would still have to
>> define the Parquet/Avro type mapping, but the type definition would be
>> limited to the encoding itself, not "spilling" to other parts like bounds
>> or schema evolution.
>>
>> Best,
>> Philipp
>>
>> On Wed, Oct 14, 2026 at 11:37 PM Péter Váry <[email protected]>
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Talked with a bunch of people on ApacheCon, and I’d still very much like
>>> to see int8 and float16 vector support in Iceberg.
>>>
>>> I’ve created a draft PR to add these types:
>>> https://github.com/apache/iceberg/pull/18485.
>>> Parquet already provides a logical type for int8 and a physical type for
>>> float16, so adding support in Iceberg seems like a reasonable effort.
>>>
>>> I’d be happy to spearhead this work so we can get these types into V4,
>>> if the community agrees.
>>>
>>> Thanks,
>>>  Peter
>>>
>>>
>>> Yan Yan <[email protected]> ezt írta (időpont: 2026. okt. 9., P, 2:33):
>>>
>>>> Thank you everyone for the discussion today! The meeting notes can be
>>>> found here:
>>>> https://docs.google.com/document/d/1zA8PskNDFKXXJpzWQr25CFoX_aIZHBNHbkxk0t3PteE/edit?tab=t.v399sh5bz8he
>>>> and below is a TLDR version:
>>>> - Focus on a 1D numeric vector type with fixed length and non-null,
>>>> finite coordinates; +0 and -0 remain valid.
>>>> - Keep the initial spec simple and build on Parquet’s emerging vector
>>>> representation.
>>>> - Initially support int, long, float, and double; defer
>>>> narrower/special types such as int8 as additional Iceberg primitive types
>>>> (while allowing such parquet representation for vector).
>>>> - Keep higher level properties such as distance functions out of scope,
>>>> and revisit them with the index design. Sparse vectors are also out of
>>>> scope for now: alternative options exist and waiting for concrete use 
>>>> cases.
>>>> - For formats without native vector support, use a list representation
>>>> with writer enforcement. Will explore an Avro vector logical type with Avro
>>>> community; ORC support remains open.
>>>>
>>>> I'll update the spec PR in the next few days (also appreciate the quick
>>>> feedback from everyone!)
>>>>
>>>> Thanks,
>>>> Yan
>>>>
>>>> On Wed, Oct 7, 2026 at 5:31 PM Yan Yan <[email protected]> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Thank you Steven for helping secure the time slot for the vector type
>>>>> sync! And thanks everyone for your feedback on the design doc.
>>>>>
>>>>> In preparation for tomorrow's discussion, I've created a draft PR
>>>>> https://github.com/apache/iceberg/pull/18416 for the spec changes
>>>>> based on the progress in the parquet community on the Vector type 
>>>>> proposal [
>>>>> 1 <https://github.com/apache/parquet-format/pull/624>] [2
>>>>> <https://docs.google.com/document/d/1nf30OqK_UqxA4YTEZQszmOBEG56m9M5mp9rIYC2SUWc/edit?tab=t.0>]
>>>>> , and will continue to iterate on both the spec PR and the design doc 
>>>>> based
>>>>> on the discussion feedback.
>>>>>
>>>>> Thanks,
>>>>> Yan
>>>>>
>>>>> On Tue, Sep 29, 2026 at 10:10 AM Steven Wu <[email protected]>
>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> Hi,
>>>>>>
>>>>>> As some of you are aware, there is an ongoing discussion about a new
>>>>>> *Vector* type in both the Parquet and Iceberg communities.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Iceberg Vector type design doc (from Yan Yan):
>>>>>> https://docs.google.com/document/d/1zA8PskNDFKXXJpzWQr25CFoX_aIZHBNHbkxk0t3PteE/edit?tab=t.0
>>>>>>
>>>>>> To accelerate the Vector type discussion, we are reusing/extending
>>>>>> Thursday's biweekly series to cover both File and Vector types (*starting
>>>>>> on Oct 8*). Since the file type discussion is reaching consensus, more
>>>>>> time will likely be spent on the Vector type discussion. The 
>>>>>> corresponding
>>>>>> dev calendar event title has been updated.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Thanks,
>>>>>> Steven
>>>>>>
>>>>>

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