On Sun, Dec 06, 2015 at 11:30AM, Sergi Vladykin wrote: > Cos and Brane, > > This issue arised not from our feeling of beautiful, but from practical > reasons, > namely we need to conform existing Maven and OSGi version models at the > same time. > > We did not invent Maven or OSGi, but if we want to play with them well, > we have to keep in mind their own quirks and bad design decisions, > when choosing how our versions will look like.
Very true. However, both Maven and OSGi are supporting normal semver schema, so the argument doesn't apply ;) > Cos, > > JDK and Linux kernel are bad examples here exactly because > they were free to choose any good or bad versioning they want, > we are not that free. We are free to stick to simver and don't make convoluted choices, that will confuse the hell out of the users. I am seen 1.5.0-b1 getting released and I already have no idea if it is better than 1.5.0 or worst. If the latter - where's 1.5.0 then? > Could you please clarify what exactly happened with HBase? > And why do you think we will have the same problems? Hbase used to have 0.98.16.1-hadoop2 and 0.98.16.1-hadoop1 classifiers to distinguish between different versions of HDFS base. Considering that maven classifiers are designed to differentiate between _types_ of artifacts, not the platforms, hooking up to the hbase artifacts from different dependency management systems were a royal PITA. We'll have the same problem exactly because these are arbitrary choices and have no similarities with anything else out there. The most effective engineering principal is KISS: anything that goes against it will have a higher friction with the users. Meaning more disoriented emails on the user@ list, more frustration and incorrectly filed bug reports, reflecting in a lower traction with future contributors. Cheers, Cos > 2015-12-06 4:24 GMT+03:00 Konstantin Boudnik <c...@apache.org>: > > > On Tue, Dec 01, 2015 at 07:18PM, Raul Kripalani wrote: > > > On Tue, Dec 1, 2015 at 7:15 PM, Dmitriy Setrakyan <dsetrak...@apache.org > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > Raul, as an OSGI expert, do you confirm? > > > > > > > > > > Yep, it was my proposal only to add "-final". Just to be clear, this is a > > > Maven qualifier. The maven-bundle-plugin will translate the hyphen to a > > > dot, for compatibility with OSGi. > > > > For the die-hard fans of "-lksfdiuye" classifiers in Maven artifacts, I'd > > suggest to check how well it has played for HBase. Hadoop been there as > > well - > > they still are fighting the consequences of once thought to be a neat > > "-alpha" > > idea. Seriously guys, this is gonna be mess, confusing the hell out of > > everybody. > > > > Cos > > > > > *Raúl Kripalani* > > > PMC & Committer @ Apache Ignite, Apache Camel | Integration, Big Data and > > > Messaging Engineer > > > http://about.me/raulkripalani | http://www.linkedin.com/in/raulkripalani > > > http://blog.raulkr.net | twitter: @raulvk > >
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