Thanks, Alexey, got it. What happens if a user starts multiple nodes on the
same box? Will it work the way Denis suggested?

On Tue, Apr 18, 2017 at 1:47 AM, Alexey Goncharuk <
[email protected]> wrote:

> The reason we cannot add another memory region to page memory is
> performance. Currently, the translation of a page ID to a virtual address
> is basically a no-op. If we add dynamic memory expansion, we need to
> maintain some sort of page ID mapping, which adds significant (in my view,
> about 10%) overhead.
>
> Agree with Semyon, we can set default size based on available memory on a
> machine.
>
> 2017-04-18 11:38 GMT+03:00 Semyon Boikov <[email protected]>:
>
> > I think Ignite can behave like JVM: we can have -Xms -Xmx settings with
> > defaults depending on available memory.
> >
> > Thanks
> >
> > On Tue, Apr 18, 2017 at 4:56 AM, Dmitriy Setrakyan <
> [email protected]>
> > wrote:
> >
> > > Denis,
> > >
> > > If what you are suggesting is true, then we can always allocate about
> 80%
> > > of available memory by default. By the way, it must also work on
> Windows,
> > > so we should definitely test it.
> > >
> > > Alexey G, can you comment?
> > >
> > > D.
> > >
> > > On Mon, Apr 17, 2017 at 6:17 PM, Denis Magda <[email protected]>
> wrote:
> > >
> > > > Dmitriy,
> > > >
> > > > > Denis, it sounds like with this approach, in case of the
> > > over-allocation,
> > > > > the system will just get slower and slower and users will end up
> > > blaming
> > > > > Ignite for it. Am I understanding your suggestion correctly?
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > This will not happen (at least in Unix) unless all the nodes really
> > used
> > > > all the allocated memory by putting data there or touching all the
> > memory
> > > > range somehow else.
> > > >
> > > > > How was this handled in Ignite 1.9?
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > If you are talking about the legacy off-heap impl then we requested
> > small
> > > > chunks of data from an operating system rather than a continuous
> memory
> > > > region as in the page memory. But I would think of the page memory as
> > of
> > > > Java heap which also can request 8 GB continuous memory region on a 8
> > GB
> > > > machine following heap settings of an app but an operating system
> will
> > > not
> > > > return the whole range immediately unless Java app occupies the whole
> > > heap
> > > > or use special parameters.
> > > >
> > > > At all, I think it’s safe to use approach suggested by me unless I
> miss
> > > > something.
> > > >
> > > > —
> > > > Denis
> > > >
> > > > > On Apr 17, 2017, at 6:05 PM, Dmitriy Setrakyan <
> > [email protected]>
> > > > wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > On Mon, Apr 17, 2017 at 6:00 PM, Denis Magda <[email protected]>
> > > wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > >> Dmitriy,
> > > > >>
> > > > >> All the nodes will request its own continuous memory region that
> > takes
> > > > >> 70-80% of all RAM from an underlying operation system. However,
> the
> > > > >> operating system will not outfit the nodes with physical pages
> > mapped
> > > to
> > > > >> RAM immediately allowing every node's process to start
> successfully.
> > > The
> > > > >> nodes will communicate to RAM via a virtual memory which in its
> turn
> > > > will
> > > > >> give an access to physical pages whenever is needed applying low
> > level
> > > > >> eviction and swapping techniques.
> > > > >>
> > > > >
> > > > > Denis, it sounds like with this approach, in case of the
> > > over-allocation,
> > > > > the system will just get slower and slower and users will end up
> > > blaming
> > > > > Ignite for it. Am I understanding your suggestion correctly?
> > > > >
> > > > > How was this handled in Ignite 1.9?
> > > > >
> > > > > D.
> > > >
> > > >
> > >
> >
>

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